Subject: Re: AWS Elastic IP architecture Date: Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 01:16:03PM -0400 Quoting Christopher Morrow (morrowc.li...@gmail.com): > On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:11 AM, Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> wrote: > > I’d argue that SSH is several thousand, not a few hundred. In any case, I > > suppose you can make the argument that only a few people are trying to > > access their home network resources remotely other than via some sort of > > proxy/rendezvous service. However, I would argue that such services exist > > solely to provide a workaround for the deficiencies in the network > > introduced by NAT. Get rid of the stupid NAT and you no longer need such > > services. > > This is an interesting argument/point, but if you remove the rendevous > service then how do you find the thing in your house? now the user has > to manage DNS, or the service in question has to manage a dns entry > for the customer, right?
Or something. > you'll be moving the (some of the) pain from 'nat' to 'dns' (or more > generally naming and identification). I think though that in a better > world, a service related to the thing you want to prod from outside > would manage this stuff for you. Possibly. > It's important (I think) to not simplify the discussion as: "Oh, with > ipv6 magic happens!" because there are still problems and design > things to overcome even with unhindered end-to-end connectivity. You have successfully demonstrated that users will need some locating service. More so with the cure-all IPv6; because remembering hex is hard for People(tm). You have, however, not shown that all the possible ways of building a locating service that become available once the end-points are uniquely reachable (and thus, as long as we're OK with finding just the right host, identifyable) present an equal level of suckage. I believe that while the work indeed can be daunting for a sufficiently pessimal selection of users, the situation so improves (if we look at simplicity of protocol design and resulting fragility) when the end-points can ignore any middleboxes that the net result, measured as inconvenicence imposed on a standard End User, will improve. -- Måns Nilsson primary/secondary/besserwisser/machina MN-1334-RIPE +46 705 989668 Why is everything made of Lycra Spandex?
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