On February 28, 2015 at 18:14 clay...@mnsi.net (Clayton Zekelman) wrote: > You do of course realize that the asymmetry in CATV forward path/return path > existed LONG before residential Internet access over cable networks exited?
You mean back when it was all analog and DOCSIS didn't exist? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 28, 2015, at 5:38 PM, Barry Shein <b...@world.std.com> wrote: > > > > > > Can we stop the disingenuity? > > > > Asymmetric service was introduced to discourage home users from > > deploying "commercial" services. As were bandwidth caps. > > > > One can argue all sorts of other "benefits" of this but when this > > started that was the problem on the table: How do we forcibly > > distinguish commercial (i.e., more expensive) from non-commercial > > usage? > > > > Answer: Give them a lot less upload than download bandwidth. > > > > Originally these asymmetric, typically DSL, links were hundreds of > > kbits upstream, not a lot more than a dial-up line. > > > > That and NAT thereby making it difficult -- not impossible, the savvy > > were in the noise -- to map domain names to permanent IP addresses. > > > > That's all this was about. > > > > It's not about "that's all they need", "that's all they want", etc. > > > > Now that bandwidth is growing rapidly and asymmetric is often > > 10/50mbps or 20/100 it almost seems nonsensical in that regard, entire > > medium-sized ISPs ran on less than 10mbps symmetric not long ago. But > > it still imposes an upper bound of sorts, along with addressing > > limitations and bandwidth caps. > > > > That's all this is about. > > > > The telcos for many decades distinguished "business" voice service > > from "residential" service, even for just one phone line, though they > > mostly just winged it and if they declared you were defrauding them by > > using a residential line for a business they might shut you off and/or > > back bill you. Residential was quite a bit cheaper, most importantly > > local "unlimited" (unmetered) talk was only available on residential > > lines. Business lines were even coded 1MB (one m b) service, one > > metered business (line). > > > > The history is clear and they've just reinvented the model for > > internet but proactively enforced by technology rather than studying > > your usage patterns or whatever they used to do, scan for business ads > > using "residential" numbers, beyond bandwidth usage analysis. > > > > And the CATV companies are trying to reinvent CATV pricing for > > internet, turn Netflix (e.g.) into an analogue of HBO and other > > premium CATV services. > > > > What's so difficult to understand here? > > > > -- > > -Barry Shein > > > > The World | b...@theworld.com | > > http://www.TheWorld.com > > Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD | Dial-Up: US, PR, > > Canada > > Software Tool & Die | Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo* -- -Barry Shein The World | b...@theworld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD | Dial-Up: US, PR, Canada Software Tool & Die | Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo*
