Sure. But you're making too much stew from one oyster; *I* did not *assert* that this was their motivation for doing so.
I simply noted that it's tied into one of the arguments I'd seen for why they had a problem, and ameliorates it from their POV. Different thing. Cheers, -- jra ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Helms" <khe...@zcorum.com> > To: "Jay Ashworth" <j...@baylink.com> > Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 3:49:11 PM > Subject: Re: Muni Fiber and Politics > Jay, > > I really doubt that the guys who designed Verizon's access network had > anything to do or say about their peering nor do I believe there was a > cross departmental design meeting to talk about optimal peering to > work > with the access technology. The group responsible for peering and > other > transit operations and planning probably pre-dated FiOS being at scale > by > decades. Asymmetrical networks from telecom operators is and has been > the > norm world wide for a very long time. We're only now getting to a > place > where that consideration is even being talked about and even now none > of > the "common" approaches for access give symmetrical traffic except for > Ethernet. I'd like to see EPON more common, but the traditional telco > vendors either don't offer it or its just now becoming available. > > Again, I have no doubt that _after the fact_ someone at Verizon said > that > this is a good because it helps with the Netflix flap, but drawing > causality between their prior asymmetrical offering and the way they > went > after transit is a mistake IMO. > > > Scott Helms > Vice President of Technology > ZCorum > (678) 507-5000 > -------------------------------- > http://twitter.com/kscotthelms > -------------------------------- > > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Jay Ashworth <j...@baylink.com> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.li...@gmail.com> > > > > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Scott Helms <khe...@zcorum.com> > > > wrote: > > > > I am equally certain that some there > > > > were some folks, perhaps lawyers, who said this gives us a > > > > better > > > > position to argue from if we need to against Netflix. > > > > > > wasn't this part of the verizon network specifically NOT the red > > > part > > > in the verizon blog? > > > (so I'm unclear how this change is in any way related to > > > verizon/netflix issues) > > > > I made the argument, so I'll clarify. > > > > One of the arguments which was put up for why this was Verizontal's > > problem > > was that they should have *understood* that if they deployed an > > eyeball > > network which was *by design* asymmetrical downhill, that that's how > > their peering would look too -- asymmetrical incoming; the thing > > they're > > complaining about now. > > > > Cheers, > > -- jra > > -- > > Jay R. Ashworth Baylink > > j...@baylink.com > > Designer The Things I Think RFC > > 2100 > > Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land > > Rover DII > > St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 > > 1274 > > -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
