Well, we were originally talking about regulation in the US as discussed by 
Level 3 in the subject article, but we can get into the international space if 
you like.

So, as far as the government or Wall Street funding the build out of the 
commercial Internet, that is not what happened.

I was there in the beginning selling dial-up service, dedicated data circuits, 
and finally DSL.  Wall Street got into the game very late.  We built our 
company into a $30 million operation before they cared to notice.  The 
government, while they did the initial research that created the Internet, did 
not help us and was in fact a huge hinderance to progress until the 
Telecommunications Act where they attempted to deal with us upstarts trying to 
upset the status quo.  Why people think the government was instrumental in the 
commercial Internet is beyond me.  I think some politicians might want you to 
think so.

I see no reason why the US model would not work in any market economy.  It is a 
simple matter of supply and demand.  If your economy cannot afford the 
infrastructure or the people have no money to pay for services, you are going 
to have a problem.  There is a huge problem in that people think GOVERNMENT 
FUNDED=FREE,  it does not and in most cases is more expensive than the 
commercial alternatives since there is no motivation to be efficient.

In that case a hybrid approach like I used in helping schools in the 
Philippines will work better.  We used government funding and private grants to 
provide high speed internet to rural schools and we did it by buying commercial 
available wireless and cable services.  This helps the people and also helps 
grow the communications industry there.  The government does nothing but pay 
the bills (and they rarely even do that right).

Steven Naslund

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Tinka [mailto:mark.ti...@seacom.mu] 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 10:01 AM
To: Naslund, Steve
Subject: Re: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica

On Friday, March 21, 2014 04:46:13 PM Naslund, Steve wrote:

> First question to ask yourself is who is paying for it. 
> The "governments" don't do things out of the kindness of their hearts.  
> They will want to be paid for it.
> Control means power and people in power want to get paid.

No one is denying that.

If I have the opportunity for my taxes to do real work like build a national 
optical backbone, instead of lining some guy's pockets, I'm fine with that.

> Who else would run the network?  Do we think the government can or 
> should be operating communications networks?  Do you want the 
> government controlling what content you get or producing that content?  
> I think not.
>  Look at the wonderful job they are doing maintaining our 
> transportation infrastructure.

My point was the governments do not know how to seek information on how best to 
sub-contract running of the network.

I certainly don't want the government running my network. 
Heck, they barely know how to use the lift in their building.

But what we need is a more transparent process on choosing the right person 
(and model) to operate the network. In most deployments, this has been the 
weakest link.

> That is because we don't need a government initiative to do that.  
> Most people in the US have access to broadband networks today because 
> they wanted it and they were willing to pay someone for it.  That is 
> called a business initiative and it is much more efficient than any 
> government initiative.

Right, but that is the U.S. (which is why I specifically mentioned Asia-Pac and 
Africa).

Other countries with smaller economies have realized that the quickest way to 
close the "digital gap" is, perhaps for better or worse, have the government 
fund the projects (in part or whole).

Malaysia and Singapore have been relatively successful in this. Australia is 
still wanting, and Tanzania is not something I'd say was done well but works 
for the most part. 
But the use-cases are there, at the very least, for learning.

> As far as "core national backbones" the government has built several 
> over the years including the ARPANET, Defense Data Network, NSFnet, 
> etc.  None of those really helped the consumer except as models for 
> the public networks.  Our service providers have built global 
> backbones that are more resilient and outrun all of those networks 
> because market forces had them do it.  I needed an MPLS circuit from 
> my backbone to Shanghai China recently and I could get that from 
> several service providers at reasonable rates.
> 
> We did get two initiatives to build out access to the home as well as 
> the national backbone.  It is called the Internet.  Backbone speeds 
> increased at the same time access to the home went from dial up to DSL 
> to cable to FTTH.  What's the problem here.

Again, you're looking at it from "where the U.S. came from", which, for all 
intents and purposes, is where the Internet started. Great! But that does not 
help other economies today.

And if you consider the ARPANET, NSFnet, e.t.c., while those were not terribly 
successful from the consumer perspective, in the end, they led to what the 
commercial Internet looks like today.

Priorities (either at the government or corporate level) have changed a great 
deal from the early days of the Internet. The amount of investment required to 
build out nationally in a short span of time is not available in the ways Wall 
Street (or government research grants) funded "The Boom" in North America.

In developing countries, it leaves very little choice on who is willing to make 
that investment. That, I can tell you for free :-).

Mark.

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