On 11/15/13 12:29, Jay Ashworth wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michael Sinatra" <mich...@rancid.berkeley.edu> > >> UC Berkeley installed 3 CEVs (Controlled Environment Vaults) below >> ground on campus about 10-15 years ago. One of them houses one of the >> two main fiber penetrations to campus, including DWDM gear, >> patch-panels, border routers, even packetshapers (back when those were >> relevant in a large EDU environment), servers, WiFi portals, etc. This >> stuff has all been in place for at least 10 years and has worked really >> well, modulo the caveats below. Two of the vaults have 6-7 19" telco >> racks, and one (the one with the big fiber entrance) also has a 23" >> rack in addition to the others. >> >> Caveats: > > [ 17 pages of caveats elided ]
I realize I am wordy, but four bullet points (one of which involves apparel) != "17 pages of caveats". Nice try. The rest of the email was inline replies to Justin's points. > So, the elephant in the room at this stage of the thing is this: > > Why don't you just *put this stuff in a building*, and, y'know, never > demolish it? Have you ever been involved in University space wars? Especially in a new building? The 9-layer OSI model gets pretty top-heavy when you factor that in. If anything, the caveats helped to keep others from wanting to use the space. But I will say that the general difficulty of getting equipment in and out of the CEVs generally discouraged UCB from doing more CEVs beyond the 3 originals. That _one_ caveat weighed pretty heavily. michael
