The biggest mistake everyone is making is that while we are talking about what the USGOV/NSA in this instance you assume this is the only entity behaving in this manner.
Morpheus <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000401/?ref_=tt_trv_qu>: "This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. " Mike On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Jorge Amodio <jmamo...@gmail.com> wrote: > We have to do the right thing anyway because as engineers we are always > motivated to innovate, to fix, to make things better. Motivation has not to > come form the NSA or any other spooking service of the day. Even if we > design and deploy the best engineering solution there is always a weak link > that can be compromised, coerced by law or workaround by > counter-engineering. > > We want better was to provide "privacy" ? I'm not against that, but if you > really want privacy the best and cheapest engineering solution is to remove > the plug. > > We should spend more cycles about how to make broadband real broadband, > deploying IPv6, implementing DNSSEC, educating people and bringing Internet > where is no access or where there is bad access make it good, if in the > process of doing that the NSA wants to get high sniffing all packets I > really don't care much because that is not an engineering problem. > > I think that "privacy" on a "public" network is a very relative concept, > same as "security". > > -J > > > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Scott Brim <scott.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Jorge Amodio <jmamo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > IMHO, there is no amount of engineering that can fix stupid people > doing > > > stupid things on both sides of the stupid lines. > > > > Yes but there is engineering to ensure that they have the opportunity > > to do the right thing in the first place. If we (IETF) naively > > engineer out the ability to have privacy, it doesn't matter if those > > people are stupid or not. > > >
