Mike brings up a good point though; the effort, cost, and risk of introducing a new CLI to an environment sometimes is masked until you really need to dig in and work through outages. Familiarity with a codebase or at least with how the code "thinks" should go a long way when deciding what to put in your racks. Of course, how do you quantify that?
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.des...@gmail.com>wrote: > I'm exact opposite of Phil. I love IOS and hate JunOS....for that > single reason, I'm really against buying Juniper in our shop for > pretty much anything. :) > > Still, to be fair, the hardware seems to be really, really stable and > well built. I don't think we've had a failure across our Junipers in > the short time I've been with my day job. > > As far as support goes...the only time we had issues with our Nexus > gear I was actually really, really disappointed with Cisco. We were > upgrading our firmware, ran into some major issues with VPC and HSRP > due some firmware changes, and the Tac engineer we got sucked > *massive* lemons. When I call Tac with a situation like this, I > expect someone who can code a working config from scratch based on the > old config, not someone who's going to sit there scratching his head, > running useless packet captures, and being silent when we ask > questions. *sigh* > > /rant off > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Phil Fagan <philfa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I've had nothing but good luck with Juniper support and well with Cisco > you > > pay for support too. I will say Arista support was great, however, I'm > > still hesitant to put them in full production; but I think that is lack > of > > experience with them speaking. > > > > Do the bake off in your lab and let'm run! > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Blake Pfankuch - Mailing List < > > blake.mailingl...@pfankuch.me> wrote: > > > >> Let me also clarify, Price per port is not the final deciding factor. > >> We are looking much more at a combination of daily operational sanity, > >> troubleshooting features, operational feature set, vendor support > quality > >> and price.**** > >> > >> ** ** > >> > >> Support is absolute key. When we need help, we need help quickly and > >> knowledgeable support. The name checkpoint comes to mind when I think > of > >> something I DON’T want for support quality. It also causes nausea…**** > >> > >> ** ** > >> > >> Thanks,**** > >> > >> ** ** > >> > >> Blake**** > >> > >> ** ** > >> > >> *From:* Phil Fagan [mailto:philfa...@gmail.com] > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:08 PM > >> *To:* Blake Pfankuch - Mailing List > >> *Cc:* NANOG (nanog@nanog.org) > >> *Subject:* Re: Network Vendor suggestions/reviews, Arista Networks, Dell > >> Force10, Juniper, Extreme Networks etc...**** > >> > >> ** ** > >> > >> I love JUNOS, don't really care for IOS. I really trust Cisco and > >> Juniper's hardware, with that being said Arista is your best bet for > >> cheapest port. I've only seen Arista in lab, not in the wild yet so I > can't > >> speak for how I would trust them. You mention getting bit by single > sups, I > >> believe as of late Arista has had issue with OSPF failover time between > >> dual-sups in HA setups.**** > >> > >> ** ** > >> > >> I used to have a Dell laptop....but I'm sure their great too. In the end > >> for me I only trust Cisco or Juniper. I've been burnt by Foundry and am > >> waiting to on Arista. **** > >> > >> ** ** > >> > >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Blake Pfankuch - Mailing List < > >> blake.mailingl...@pfankuch.me> wrote:**** > >> > >> Howdy, > >> I have been working on a proposal for the organization I > >> work for to move into the 10gbit datacenter. We have a small datacenter > >> currently of about 1000 ports of 1gbit. We have traditionally been a > full > >> Cisco shop, however I was asked to do a price comparison as well as > >> features with other major alternative vendors. I was also asked to do > some > >> digging as far as what "the real world" thinks about these possible > vendors. > >> > >> We currently have 2 Cisco 6509's with 8 48 port cards Sup 3BXL, 2 Cisco > >> 4506 with 5x 48 port card and Sup V's and 2 4900M switches providing > 10gbit > >> to a very specialized implementation. With all of our technology, we > try > >> to not be bleeding edge, but oozing edge. We need 5 9's or more of > uptime > >> yearly so stability is preferable to cool features. We currently have > >> single supervisors in all of our switches (not my decision) and it has > bit > >> us recently. Everything we are looking at needs to support NSF/SSO/VSS > of > >> some kind. > >> > >> What we have been looking to replace it with in Cisco world is Nexus > 7004 > >> Core and Nexus 5596UP with 2200 series Fabric extenders for Dist/Access > as > >> well as 2200 Fabric Extenders within our Dell Blade Chassis. > Realistically > >> we will be under 800 ports of 10gbit (excluding Blades) which puts us > in a > >> tough spot from what I can find. Currently everything we have is EOR, > >> however TOR would make more sense allowing us to switch to SFP+ twinax > >> connectivity to servers. > >> > >> With this in mind, I have a few questions... > >> > >> It was mandated that I look at a company "Arista Networks" and > investigate > >> possible options. I had not heard much about them, so I look to the > >> experts. Pro's and Con's? Real world experience? Looks to me they > have a > >> lot of cool features, but I'm slightly concerned with how new they might > >> be, how reliable it would be as well as their QA/bugfix history. Also > 24x4 > >> support and hardware replacement. Everything in our datacenter > currently > >> has a 2 or 4 hour cisco contract on it and critical core components > have a > >> cold spare in inventory. > >> > >> Dell Force 10... I know Dell tries to get you to drink the Koolaid on > this > >> solution, I was a former Dell Partner and they even pushed me to get > demo > >> equipment going... What's the experience with their chassis switches? > >> Stability? Configuration sanity? What do people like? What do people > >> hate? > >> > >> Juniper. What do people like? What do people hate? Have the Layer 2 > >> issues of historical age gone away? Is the config still xml ish? It > has > >> been about 5 years since I worked with anything Juniper. > >> > >> Extreme networks. I know very little about them historically. What is > >> good, what is bad? Is the config sane? > >> > >> I would be happy to compile any information I find, as well as our > >> sanitized internal conclusions. On and off list responses welcome. > >> > >> If there is another vendor anyone would suggest, please add them to the > >> list with similarly asked questions. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Blake**** > >> > >> > >> > >> **** > >> > >> ** ** > >> > >> -- **** > >> > >> Phil Fagan**** > >> > >> Denver, CO**** > >> > >> 970-480-7618**** > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Phil Fagan > > Denver, CO > > 970-480-7618 > > > > -- > 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 > -- Phil Fagan Denver, CO 970-480-7618
