On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Warren Bailey <wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote: > > Abuse is abuse.. People are going to do bad things, even when you call them > illegal (in some cases, as a result of calling them illegal). It's not > illegal to be a tool, but it is illegal to break a law. In my opinikn Laws > need to be written and passed, not thought about and argued over. If we are > going to arbitrarily make our own laws, why don't we start at something > cooler than preventing a guy announcing someone's Internet addresses? I > understand the magnitude of these actions, but at some point we need to pay > attention to things outside of /dev/internet. Again.. I'm not saying these > hijackers aren't pricks, I'm saying that stealing an AS number shouldn't be > illegal - committing a crime with information gained should be (and is). It's > not that I don't care, I just don't care that MUCH. >
agreed, I wasn't of the opinion that the action was 'right', just that calling it 'illegal' was quite a leap. I do think that putting effort into making it significantly harder to 'hijack prefixes' is a good thing, which is the reason I put effort into: tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr pitching a fit from the sidelines isn't helpful, finding a way to keep it from happening again/again/again at least tries to move the ball forward. -chris > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: goe...@anime.net > Date: 05/06/2013 11:31 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: Warren Bailey <wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> > Cc: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.li...@gmail.com>,Valdis Kletnieks > <valdis.kletni...@vt.edu>,NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> > Subject: Re: Illegal usage of AS51888 (and PI 91.220.85.0/24) from AS42989 > and AS57954 (in ukraine) > > > if anyone wondered why abuse goes unchecked, wonder no longer. > > -Dan > > On Mon, 6 May 2013, Warren Bailey wrote: > > > +1 > > > > > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.li...@gmail.com> > > Date: 05/06/2013 9:29 AM (GMT-08:00) > > To: Valdis Kletnieks <valdis.kletni...@vt.edu> > > Cc: Warren Bailey <wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>,Adam Vitkovsky > > <adam.vitkov...@swan.sk>,Nick Hilliard <n...@foobar.org>,NANOG > > <nanog@nanog.org> > > Subject: Re: Illegal usage of AS51888 (and PI 91.220.85.0/24) from AS42989 > > and AS57954 (in ukraine) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:23 PM, > > <valdis.kletni...@vt.edu<mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu>> wrote: > > On Mon, 06 May 2013 15:27:35 -0000, Warren Bailey said: > >> Illegal or undesired? > > > > This sort of stuff comes in two flavors: "typo" and "intentionally done > > in furtherance of criminal activities". > > > > The fact that an AS number and matching IP range are involved tends to say > > it's > > not a typo. > > > > > > maybe warren's question is better stated: "Please point to relevant legal > > code in the jurisdiction(s) which are relevant." (if you feel this is > > 'illegal', showing where in the relevant code(s) where this would be > > classified as such would help) > > > > -chris > > > > > > >
