> I don't doubt that dual-stack home networks will be with us for a long >time. > What won't be with us for very long is routing IPv4 across service >providers. > It can't. It will become far too expensive to do so. The economics >aren't going > to work much past about 5 years, maybe 10 if we're really unlucky.
Of course. :) Cheers, Rajiv -----Original Message----- From: Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 12:01 AM To: Rajiv Asati <raj...@cisco.com> Cc: Fabien Delmotte <fdelmot...@mac.com>, nanog list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN > >On Apr 8, 2013, at 20:23 , "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <raj...@cisco.com> >wrote: > >> I agree. Apple does it really well, no doubt about it. This is because >> they control both the software and hardware. >> >> Google/Android çan not do it well enough, since the Android OS version >> compatibility with the hardware is somewhat dictated by the hardware >> manufacturer. This isn't always helpful. :-( >> > >But they can actually push pretty well if they had some killer app. that >everyone >used and could supply some update that nobody could live without on said >killer app. > >Then you just need to flag said update as "requires Android version X" and >poof... All the pressure you need to get everyone running droid up to X. >(Including all the pressure needed to get consumers to push the device >maker.) > >> For ex, there are numerous android apps that are not supported >> on many android devices. :=( >> > >They must not be very important to the bulk of the android users. > >> Anyway, this is why I think that dual-stack home networks (and UEs) will >> be with us for a long time. >> > >I don't doubt that dual-stack home networks will be with us for a long >time. >What won't be with us for very long is routing IPv4 across service >providers. >It can't. It will become far too expensive to do so. The economics aren't >going >to work much past about 5 years, maybe 10 if we're really unlucky. > > >Owen > >> Cheers, >> Rajiv >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> >> Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 8:52 PM >> To: Rajiv Asati <raj...@cisco.com> >> Cc: Fabien Delmotte <fdelmot...@mac.com>, nanog list <nanog@nanog.org> >> Subject: Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN >> >>> >>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:54 , Rajiv Asati (rajiva) <raj...@cisco.com> >>>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Like you, I would like to be optimistic about many v4-only apps and >>>> v4-only devices becoming dual-stack sooner than later. >>>> >>>> But knowing that a significant (50%+) of android devices may not >>>>support >>>> IPv6 (just like my brand new Samsung Galaxy 7'' tablet (just bought >>>>over >>>> the weekend) being v4-only) and may not be upgraded by their users to >>>> the >>>> right software, and that Skype etc. apps are out there, my optimism >>>> fades >>>> away. >>> >>> The upgrade problem isn't that hard to solve. As soon as users want to >>>use >>> something that doesn't work without the upgrade, the upgrades get >>> installed. >>> >>> Apple does a great job of this... >>> >>> Every time they release an iOS upgrade I really don't want, they >>>manage to >>> also release an update to software that I do care about. That software >>> update >>> inherently requires me to accept the iOS upgrade. >>> >>> Owen >>> >
