The only spanking that has been going on nanog lately is Jay using his email to keep us up to date on current news. I am going to call it a night, and look for a SCUD fired from Florida in the morning. ;)
On 2/20/13 11:29 PM, "Richard Porter" <rich...@pedantictheory.com> wrote: >When you really look at human behavior the thing that remains the same is >core motives. The competition makes sense in that it is human nature to >aggresse for resources. We are challenged in the "fact" that we 'want' to >belong among the other five. This will never change butŠŠŠŠ. > >What is really a travesty here is that most of us have been saying "hey >this is critical" and can now shift to "I told you so"Š in that if you >did what we said to do 1 Š 5 Š. 10 Š years ago .. you would have >"mitigated" this risk.. > >Basically, genetically we have not changed, so what behavior would >suggest that (even with the introduction of faster calculators).. why >would we change? Just means we would do X faster ŠŠ. > >This is my first comment to the list.. please flame me privately to save >the list :) *** or publicly who think I should really be spanked!!! *** > > >Regards, >Richard > > > >On Feb 20, 2013, at 7:27 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.li...@gmail.com> >wrote: > >> Very true. The objection is more that the exploits are aimed at civilian >> rather than (or, more accurately, as well as) military / government / >> beltway targets. >> >> Which makes the alleged chinese strategy rather more like financing >>jehadis >> to suicide bomb and shoot up hotels and train stations, rather than any >> sort of disciplined warfare or espionage. >> >> --srs (htc one x) >> On 21-Feb-2013 7:40 AM, "Steven Bellovin" <s...@cs.columbia.edu> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Feb 20, 2013, at 1:33 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:39:42 +0900, Randy Bush said: >>>>> boys and girls, all the cyber-capable countries are cyber-culpable. >>>>>you >>>>> can bet that they are all snooping and attacking eachother, the >>>>>united >>>>> states no less than the rest. news at eleven. >>>> >>>> The scary part is that so many things got hacked by a bunch of people >>>> who made the totally noob mistake of launching all their attacks from >>>> the same place.... >>> >>> >>> This strongly suggests that it's not their A-team, for whatever value >>>of >>> "their" you prefer. (My favorite mistake was some of them updating >>>their >>> Facebook pages when their work took them outside the Great Firewall.) >>>They >>> just don't show much in the way of good operational security. >>> >>> Aside: A few years ago, a non-US friend of mine mentioned a >>>conversation >>> he'd had with a cyber guy from his own country's military. According >>>to >>> this guy, about 130 countries had active military cyberwarfare units. >>>I >>> don't suppose that the likes of Ruritania has one, but I think it's a >>>safe >>> assumption that more or less every first and second world country, and >>>not >>> a few third world ones are in the list. >>> >>> The claim here is not not that China is engaging in cyberespionage. >>>That >>> would go under the heading of "I'm shocked, shocked to find that >>>there's >>> spying going on here." Rather, the issue that's being raised is the >>>target: >>> commercial firms, rather than the usual military and government >>>secrets. >>> That is what the US is saying goes beyond the usual rules of the game. >>> In >>> fact, the US has blamed not just China but also Russia, France, and >>>Israel >>> (see http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/165108 -- and >>>note >>> that that's an Israeli news site) for such activities. France was >>> notorious >>> for that in the 1990s; there were many press reports of bugged first >>>class >>> seats on Air France, for example. >>> >>> The term for what's going on is "cyberexploitation", as opposed to >>> "cyberwar". >>> The US has never come out against it in principle, though it never >>>likes it >>> when aimed at the US. (Every other nation feels the same way about its >>> companies and networks, of course.) For a good analysis of the legal >>> aspects, >>> see >>> >>>http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/08/what-is-the-government%E2%80%99s-stra >>>tegy-for-the-cyber-exploitation-threat/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > >
