----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Helms" <khe...@zcorum.com>
> > Basically when the customer (typically the service provider, but > > not always) orders a loop to a customer the muni provider would > > OTDR shoot it from the handoff point to the service provider to the > > prem. They would be responsible for insuring a reasonable > > performance of the fiber between those two end points. > > Been tried multiple times and I've never seen it work in the US, Canada, > Europe, or Latin America. That's not to say it can't work, but there > lots of reasons why it doesn't and I don't think anyone has suggested > anything here that I haven't already seen fail. So let me be clear, here, because I'm semi-married to this idea... You're asserting that it is not practical to offer L1 optical per-sub handoffs to L2/3 ISPs, because a) the circuits can't be built reliably, b) the circuits won't run reliably over the long run, c) if something *does break*, it's hard or expensive to determine where, or d) each side will say it's the other side's fault, and things won't get fixed? I can't see any difference between building it for their L2 access box and my own. I simply don't believe (b). (c) seems questionable as well, so I assume you have to mean (d). > Dry pairs are impossible to order these days for a reason. Certainly: because you have to get them from incumbents, who don't want you to use a cheap service to provide yourself something they could charge you a lot more money for. You assert a technical reason? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274