Hi,

Ok. I am trying to encourage an inclusive exploration of an issue that seems to 
be emergent.  I am trying to get the community to articulate BCP not dictate it.

"Would you want this logic to still apply if you have ::/0 in your table 
anywhere?"

Yes obviously limits would apply to the filter on min and max in a recursive 
filter.

"It sounds a little bit like such people may be trying to shift the cost burden 
around in an odd fashion."

I am seeking community input before we manage to screw things up.  I do not 
want a route table with 10M+ prefixes.  One of the points of v6 is aggregation, 
would it not be silly to adopt a liaise a faire view to route pollution and 
associated security considerations.

"But I also want to look like I'm one of the big default-free providers"

I struggle to not use direct language here. Firstly I never asserted I was DFZ 
or want to be, quiet the opposite, seeking clarification of BCP.

"default route towards something that *does* know how to get closer to the 
destination."

Filtering exists for internet security not route table size, your default 
return path trashes that.

"you must be trying to play in the DFZ"

Lol, understand the issue at hand

"I think your use of the term "cheating" here is misapplied."

Read my suggestion, if you deliberately falsely tag a route with the wrong 
community under my proposed model, what would you call it?

"You're implying that your network is default free"

Nope, I am trying to find a solution that works for everyone that empowers the 
recipient AS with the choice of what they filter in an informed fashion for 
mutual benefit.

"DFZ provider to have to carry the longer prefixes *except you*"

Firstly that was a comment to the sub informed way some people work, however, 
my point is we have a legacy that can not be solved by new policy.  We have to 
accommodate that legacy and the answer is not to say lets just go with a /48 no 
questions asked.  Networks involve design and engineering, we can accommodate 
all peoples needs within a structure.

"And if you *do* carry ::/0 in your network from an upstream, this is all a 
moot point; filter away to whatever level your heart desires,"

You just agreed with me.

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We are at the start of a new network, lets learn from the past.  My posts are 
open and non judgemental, please, keep to the issue, if you don't get it yet 
then clue up.  Arms open here, can anyone else see the future cast issue I am 
tryin to raise if all the aggregate deag without control, we were all worried 
about PI multihoming a year ago and route table bloat.

Lets try to stay on point.

Ben



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