On Jun 4, 2012, at 1:01 AM, Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> wrote:

> Any firewall/security device manufacturer that says it is will not get any
> business from me (or anyone else who considers their requirements
> properly before purchasing).

Unfortunately many technology people seem to have the idea, "If I don't 
understand it, it's a hacker" when it comes to network traffic.  And often they 
don't understand ICMP (or at least PMTU).  So anything not understood gets 
blocked.  Then there is the Law of HTTP...

The Law of HTTP is pretty simple: Anything that isn't required for *ALL* HTTP 
connections on day one of protocol implementation will never be able to be used 
universally.

This includes, sadly, PMTU.  If reaching all possible endpoints is important to 
your application, you better do it via HTTP and better not require PMTU.  It's 
also why protocols typically can't be extended today at any layer other than 
the "HTTP" layer.

As for the IETF trying to not have people reset DF...good luck with that 
one...besides, I think there is more broken ICMP handling than there are paths 
that would allow a segment to bounce around for 120 seconds...

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