The tolerance of some of you out there is amazing. You must be PS3 users
crying because your free game network is down. Maybe we can get a
subscription service set up for you so you have something else to
complain about.
Be patient people. Maybe a little appreciation to these experts wouldn't
hurt you either.
-Hammer-
"I was a normal American nerd"
-Jack Herer
On 07/12/2011 11:16 AM, Ralph E. Whitmore, III wrote:
Its great to see how quick a response we are getting, they have their top people working
on it??? Perhaps my 14 year old son should apply for a job as one the trainers for the
so called "experts" on this.
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Bonomi [mailto:bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:14 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward
Cc: na...@nanog.org.r-bonomi.com
In-Reply-To:<1be304a1-0da0-4558-83ad-0e4f08f81...@twincreeks.net>
Subject: Re: NANOG List Update - Moving Forward
From: Steve Feldman<feld...@twincreeks.net>
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:00:51 -0700
We're aware of the spam problem and have our top people working on it.
Reports of other lingering issues from the change would be
appreciated, though.
You asked for it, you got it:
1) You broke *all* the mailing-list support addresses.
'nanog-owner' ,etc. *BOUNCE* "user unknown"
see mark's inbox for a smoking gun
2) You let non-members post to the list.
see mark's inbox for a smoking gun
3) You broke the mailing-list *submission* address itself, for
subscribers. Although you let non-member *SPAM* through.
4) You have dropped _all_ the the received lines _before_ the message
gets to the list.
see mark's inbox for a smoking gun -- one of the spam messages
5) You are *NOT* using 'custom 'From ' lines, meaning you cannot tell
who the subscriber is when a forwarded message bounces.
see mark's inbox for a smoking gun -- one of the spam messages
6) You dropped *ALL* the list-management info headers.
see mark's inbox for a smoking gun -- one of the spam messages
7) You rolled changes out with _NOBODY_AROUND_ to take complaints from
users who noticed problems.
8) You are mailing to "undisclosed recipients". This indicates "less
than competent", *lazy*, mailing-list management practices. AND
making it impossible for the recipient to determine _what_ e-mail
address the message was actually sent to, *if* for instance they need
to change their subscription information on a 'forwarded' (or worse,
_multiply-forwarded_) subscription address.
see mark's inbox for a smoking gun -- one of the spam messages
9) Others report you lost some, if not all, of the established mailing
'preferences' for subscribers.
*AND* all this was on the *second* attempt, having already utterly botched the
first one.
Reports were being sent to Mark's email (he who posted the announcement, the
'test' and the notice saying things were 'apparently working') roughly
2-1/2 hours after the -first- problem surfaced. SIX hours later the
problem was still occuring. "Asleep at the switch" would seem to apply.
Considering =ALL= of the above the statement that you have your "top people"
working on the matter is not in the least reasurring.
One *also* has to "wonder" -- considering all the other things that were
'lost', if the existing suppression filters -- specifically those which keep 'banned'
traffic off the list -- were *also* 'lost'.
One _really_ has to wonder "why" things are being moved off a tested, reliable, and fully
reliable platform, to an "obviously" flawed implementation.
Methinks the decision-makers owe the list subscribers _some_ explanation with
regard to the 'advantages' to be gained by this migration, and why it is
necessary.
