On Feb 2, 2011, at 3:16 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:

> On 2 feb 2011, at 4:51, Dave Israel wrote:
> 
>> They were features dreamed up by academics, theoreticians, and purists, and 
>> opposed by operators.
> 
> Contrary to popular belief, the IETF listens to operators and wants them to 
> participate. Few do. For instance, I don't seem to remember your name from 
> any IETF mailinglists. (I could be mistaken, though.)

From personal experience, the only reason die-hard IETF folk want operators to 
participate on IETF lists is so that they can tell them that they're wrong on 
IETF mailing lists as opposed to operator mailing lists.


> Example: if you give administrators the option of putting a router address in 
> a DHCP option, they will do so and some fraction of the time, this will be 
> the wrong address and things don't work. If you let routers announce their 
> presence, then it's virtually impossible that something goes wrong because 
> routers know who they are. A clear win. Of course it does mean that people 
> <gasp> have to learn something new when adopting IPv6.

Is anyone else reading this and the word "condescending" _not_ popping into 
their heads?

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