--"Congestion == oversubscribed.  I would love to see a public posting or 
notice or something on my ISP's website showing current flows and congestion 
(the Cacti driven Network Weathermap is one such tool I've seen networks use; 
one of my providers used to have one publicly available, and it was very 
useful).  Would make it much easier to make informed decisions on my part.

But this CMTS subscriber wanting to do medium-low bandwidth H.323 never had 
trouble seeing our stream to him; that was the funny thing.  It was always the 
return stream from him to us that broke up.  And it didn't act like congestion; 
it acted like some sort of filter in place that would only allow the full 
upstream briefly, and then would die for some period of time, and then would 
allow another burst of traffic.  (I've received one private reply mentioning a 
possible technology to do this....)

Many if not virtually all residential broadband subscribers are under the 
impression that they really get the full use of the advertised bandwidth; it is 
a shock to most when they learn about oversubscription practices and QoS 
congestion management."---

        I'm not sure you can speak for the majority of all subscribers, but 
it's fair to assume that people who are not used to "checking under the hood" 
before making a purchase are of that mind. And congestion does mean 
oversubscribed, but that's a rather narrow argument. You are buying a shared 
service, which never guarantees full use of anything. The reason that you pay 
~$100 instead of 5-10 times that amount is that you are buying a time share.  
You do not own or lease any part of your connection. It is the advertising and 
marketing of such things that generally leaves the consumer clueless unless 
they do their own research.

        Being that this is NANOG, and the expectation is that this community is 
the cognoscenti, I'd say we can dispense with the marketing. If you use a cable 
modem or DSL service, your expected use is entertainment. Depending upon your 
neighborhood, and the amount of people that latch onto a trend, you will see 
oversubscription, because no one ever builds supply that will far exceed demand 
in an instantaneous manner.

        If you expect your service to not be oversubscribed, you need to drop 
your modem for a leased line service. The SLA guarantees you get what you pay 
for. If the contrary argument is that you pay enough for your service, we need 
to define the costs of implementing your end-to-end service, and the difference 
between that and what you pay.



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