On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 08:40:28AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
> 
> On Aug 13, 2010, at 9:33 PM, Franck Martin wrote:
> 
> > Funny! 
> > 
> > On one hand people talk about ARIN providing IP allocation at nearly zero 
> > cost and on the other hand talking that ARIN goes after companies that use 
> > their allocation for abuse (which has a non trivial cost and potential 
> > expensive lawsuits)...
> > 
> > Do you know what you want?
> 
> Let's clarify the definition of abuse in this context. We are not talking 
> about people who use their IPs to abuse the network. We are talking about 
> resource recipients who use their allocations or assignments in contravention 
> to the policies under which they received them (and thus contrary to the RSA 
> which they signed when they received them).
> 
> Owen


        In the formal ARIN context, there is a distiction between abuse and 
fraud.

        abuse::  https://www.arin.net/abuse.html
        
        fraud::  https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/index.html

        It would be helpful in clarifing the discussion if folks used the proper
        terminology.


--bill

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