On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Jonathan Feldman <j...@feldman.org> wrote:
> I don't agree with you, Christopher, that the broadband plan won't affect > corporate users. I know that this list _mostly_ consists of operators, but (there are a fair number of consumer network operations folks on nanog as well...) There have been plans to offer 'business' connectivity (replacing T1/T3 last-mile type things) from the likes of Verizon (FiOS) for some time. To date you can't (and they don't seem to have plans really) get a last-mile tail on FiOS with BGP for routing information (like for a redundant connection setup, or for alternate provider paths: FiOS 50mbps link from VZ + 45mbps Ds3 from ATT using BGP to manage your redundancy needs). I don't know that you could not do the same on Comcast or Cox's deployments at this time, maybe someone from these alternatives have already spoken up privately on the matter. > I've gotten some offline responses to my initial query that seem to indicate > that enterprise users utilize SOHO (consumer grade, but with higher speeds) Sure, lots of folks use 'consumer grade' links for out-sites, that dish on top of the Mobil station being the cannonical example. These out-sites don't generally have the data concentration of the main office, nor the bandwidth needs, nor the redundancy/resiliency needs. Using a SOHO/Consumer link in the right place is a fine solution, using it at your core site, not so fine... > for various branch office needs. Also, when a technology gets > "consumerized" it tends to create interesting effects in terms of features > and price points. Still waiting for that on the FiOS space or the Comcast space (where's my 100mbps cable/FiOS link with BGP for redundancy?). I CAN get a 50mbps bidirectional FiOS link with static ip addresses (that I have to pay for the 'privilege' of having) but I can NOT use my own ip space, nor can I use a routing protocol to tell VZ or the rest of the world to prefer my alternate link to get to my office. That's suboptimal, and not 'business class' service. > Think of it this way: where would corporate mobile phones be without the > consumer effect? We'd still be carrying them around in bags and only > corporate officers would have them. I'm not sure that the corporate smartphone usage was driven by consumers, it seems (to me) to be the other way around actually... I'm not a mobile-maven so who knows :) -Chris > > I appreciate everyone's response! > > On Jun 28, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Jonathan Feldman <j...@feldman.org> wrote: >>> >>> I'm one of the reporters who covers broadband and cloud computing for >>> InformationWeek magazine (www.informationweek.com), and it's interesting >>> to >>> me that one of the issues with cloud adoption has to do with the limited >>> pipe networks available in this country. For example, it's not feasible >>> to >>> do a massive data load through the networks that are currently available >>> -- >>> you need to FedEx a hard drive to Amazon. Holy cow, it's SneakerNet for >>> the >>> 21st Century! >> >> is this a 'this country' bandwidth problem or the problem that moving >> 10tb of 'corporate data' in a 'secure fashion' from 'office' to >> 'cloud' really isn't a simple task? and that cutting a DB over at a >> point in time 'next tuesday!' is far easier done by shipping a >> point-in-time copy of the DB via sata-drive than 'holy cow copy this >> over the corp ds3, while we make sure not to kill it for mail/web/etc >> other corporate normal uses' ? >> >> The broadband plan stuff mostly covers consumers, not enterprises, >> most of the (amazon as the example here) cloud folks offer >> disk-delivery options for businesses. >> >> you seem to be comparing apples to oranges, no? >> >> -chris > >
