On Apr 8, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote: > Hello Lee , > > On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Lee Howard wrote: >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joe Greco [mailto:jgr...@ns.sol.net] >>> It seems like you could run an RIR more cheaply by simply handing out >>> the space fairly liberally, which would have the added benefit of >>> encouraging v6 adoption. The lack of a need for onerous contractual >>> clauses as suggested above, combined with less overhead costs, ought >>> to make v6 really cheap. >> >> For "fairly liberally" see: >> For ISPs: https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#six51 >> You have to be an ISP with a plan to have 200 assignment in 5 years >> Non-ISP: https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#six58 >> Be not-an-ISP and have a need for addresses (per other policies, >> you get to choose which one). >> >> In another post you asked essentially "why does ARIN charge so much?" >> ARIN doesn't just maintain a notebook of address assignments. There are >> HA servers for Whois, IN-ADDR. and IP6.ARPA, research in things like >> SIDR, DNSsec, other tools-services, and educational outreach on IPv6. >> You suggest that there's much less to argue about in IPv6 policy, but if >> you look at current proposals (https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/) >> you'll see three that are IPv6-specific, and most of the others cover >> both IPv4 and IPv6. So ARIN will continue to maintain the mailing >> lists, and hold public policy meetings (with remote participation, so >> anyone can participate), and facilitate elections so you can throw the >> bums out if you don't like how we do things. >> >> We don't really know how much IPv6 will cost ARIN. If there were >> no more debate about allocation policies, and nobody else had any interest >> in us (politically or litigiously), and technology were fairly static, then >> we >> might just do periodic tech refreshes and be fine. I imagine all of those >> things will continue for a while, though, and ARIN will need to be >> financially solvent through the transition. >> >> >> Your ARIN fee does not cover me posting here. That's gratis, and >> worth it. >> >> Lee > Thank you for posting those URL's I find a completely different > interpretation to the prose there . > > <Quote> > 6.5.8. Direct assignments from ARIN to end-user organizations > 6.5.8.1. Criteria > > To qualify for a direct assignment, an organization must: > > 1. not be an IPv6 LIR; and > 2. qualify for an IPv4 assignment or allocation from ARIN under the IPv4 > policy currently in effect, or "demonstrate efficient utilization of all > direct IPv4 assignments and allocations, each of which must be covered by any > current ARIN RSA", or be a qualifying Community Network as defined in Section > 2.8, with assignment criteria defined in section 6.5.9. > </Quote> > > Note the ""'d section above . I as a Legacy holder of netname > baby-dragons HAVE to have a Signed RSA with Airn or I am NOT , by definition > , Qualified . >
You must meet 1 (not be an IPv6 LIR) You must meet one of the criteria in 2. Any ONE of: + Qualify for an IPv4 assignment or allocation under current ARIN policy OR "demonstrate efficient utilization of all direct IPv4 assignments and allocations, each of which must..." OR be a qualifying Community Network as defined in section 2.8... > I find the present lRSA an indecent attempt to undermine the present > Legacy ipv4 holders view of the rights presented them at the time of their > Assignments or Allocations . If I could find my OLD Ultrix Tarball or Dump > tapes from that era , and they are still readable , I might just be able to > present the conversations I had at that time with InterNIC while acquiring > that Legacy Space . > Might someone else have a Document or some other Recorded conversation ? What, exactly do you find so onerous in the LRSA? Would it be equally onerous if ARIN simply stopped providing RDNS for you? Owen > Twyl , JimL > > ps: Back to haunting mode . > -- > +------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | James W. Laferriere | System Techniques | Give me VMS | > | Network&System Engineer | 3237 Holden Road | Give me Linux | > | bab...@baby-dragons.com | Fairbanks, AK. 99709 | only on AXP | > +------------------------------------------------------------------+