On Apr 8, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote:

>       Hello Lee ,
> 
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Lee Howard wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joe Greco [mailto:jgr...@ns.sol.net]
>>> It seems like you could run an RIR more cheaply by simply handing out
>>> the space fairly liberally, which would have the added benefit of
>>> encouraging v6 adoption.  The lack of a need for onerous contractual
>>> clauses as suggested above, combined with less overhead costs, ought
>>> to make v6 really cheap.
>> 
>> For "fairly liberally" see:
>> For ISPs:  https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#six51
>>      You have to be an ISP with a plan to have 200 assignment in 5 years
>> Non-ISP:  https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#six58
>>      Be not-an-ISP and have a need for addresses (per other policies,
>>      you get to choose which one).
>> 
>> In another post you asked essentially "why does ARIN charge so much?"
>> ARIN doesn't just maintain a notebook of address assignments.  There are
>> HA servers for Whois, IN-ADDR. and IP6.ARPA, research in things like
>> SIDR, DNSsec, other tools-services, and educational outreach on IPv6.
>> You suggest that there's much less to argue about in IPv6 policy, but if
>> you look at current proposals (https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/)
>> you'll see three that are IPv6-specific, and most of the others cover
>> both IPv4 and IPv6.  So ARIN will continue to maintain the mailing
>> lists, and hold public policy meetings (with remote participation, so
>> anyone can participate), and facilitate elections so you can throw the
>> bums out if you don't like how we do things.
>> 
>> We don't really know how much IPv6 will cost ARIN.  If there were
>> no more debate about allocation policies, and nobody else had any interest
>> in us (politically or litigiously), and technology were fairly static, then
>> we
>> might just do periodic tech refreshes and be fine.  I imagine all of those
>> things will continue for a while, though, and ARIN will need to be
>> financially solvent through the transition.
>> 
>> 
>> Your ARIN fee does not cover me posting here.  That's gratis, and
>> worth it.
>> 
>> Lee
>       Thank you for posting those URL's I find a completely different 
> interpretation to the prose there .
> 
> <Quote>
> 6.5.8. Direct assignments from ARIN to end-user organizations
> 6.5.8.1. Criteria
> 
> To qualify for a direct assignment, an organization must:
> 
>   1. not be an IPv6 LIR; and
>   2. qualify for an IPv4 assignment or allocation from ARIN under the IPv4 
> policy currently in effect, or "demonstrate efficient utilization of all 
> direct IPv4 assignments and allocations, each of which must be covered by any 
> current ARIN RSA", or be a qualifying Community Network as defined in Section 
> 2.8, with assignment criteria defined in section 6.5.9.
> </Quote>
> 
>       Note the ""'d section above .  I as a Legacy holder of netname 
> baby-dragons HAVE to have a Signed RSA with Airn or I am NOT ,  by definition 
> , Qualified .
> 

You must meet 1 (not be an IPv6 LIR)
You must meet one of the criteria in 2.
Any ONE of:
+       Qualify for an IPv4 assignment or allocation under current ARIN policy
OR      "demonstrate efficient utilization of all direct IPv4 assignments and 
allocations, each of which must..."
OR      be a qualifying Community Network as defined in section 2.8...
        
>       I find the present lRSA an indecent attempt to undermine the present 
> Legacy ipv4 holders view of the rights presented them at the time of their 
> Assignments or Allocations .  If I could find my OLD Ultrix Tarball or Dump 
> tapes from that era ,  and they are still readable ,  I might just be able to 
> present the conversations I had at that time with InterNIC while acquiring 
> that Legacy Space .
>       Might someone else have a Document or some other Recorded conversation ?

What, exactly do you find so onerous in the LRSA?
Would it be equally onerous if ARIN simply stopped providing RDNS for you?

Owen

>               Twyl ,  JimL
> 
> ps:   Back to haunting mode .
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