First NANOG post, the topic compels me to chime in. For me, the question also implies that user-side we are attempting to scrub any of the data we volunteer on social media (or other) platforms. I am careful about what I volunteer up to the Internetz, and have been since my first AOL floppy experience.... So, the question of do the ISPs collect data is particularly important because regardless of how careful I am to anonymize my own contribution to my "online profile," Tom's assessment is the bleakest possible picture for anyone attempting to limit the data set which represents us.
michael brooks Sr. Network Engineer Adams 12 Five Star Schools :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss" On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 7:42 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > Our ISP does not collect (nor obviously sell) customer > information/traffic. People volunteer all of their information on > Facebook/Twitter/etc already, I'm not sure I see a concern. > > On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 9:07 AM Tom Beecher <beec...@beecher.cc> wrote: > >> I did see an article about Team Cymru selling netflow data from ISPs to >>> governments though. >>> >> >> Team Cymru sold the same thing to the FBI Cyber Crimes division that any >> of us could purchase if we wanted to pay for it. >> >> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 8:52 AM Rishi Panthee <rishipant...@ryamer.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I’ve got Akvorado and netflow to identify where traffic comes in/goes to >>> so we can improve our peering and make less traffic go via transit. I did >>> see an article about Team Cymru selling netflow data from ISPs to >>> governments though. >>> https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy3z9a/fbi-bought-netflow-data-team-cymru-contract >>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy3z9a/fbi-bought-netflow-data-team-cymru-contract__;!!IR39LLzvxw!ONxcdPXwj8lyFeci0a3JR8IBTqjjqtzZg8vjTO6rYamj4BvqNnTOOTtr4Nebr851S2GGVT0acYBtKMlEhaVq3egEJzNY$> >>> >>> >>> Rishi Panthee >>> Ryamer LLC >>> Https://ryamer.com >>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__Https://ryamer.com__;!!IR39LLzvxw!ONxcdPXwj8lyFeci0a3JR8IBTqjjqtzZg8vjTO6rYamj4BvqNnTOOTtr4Nebr851S2GGVT0acYBtKMlEhaVq3VIN0_k6$> >>> rishipant...@ryamer.com >>> >>> >>> On May 15, 2023, at 5:59 PM, Michael Thomas <m...@mtcc.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> And maybe try to monetize it? I'm pretty sure that they can be compelled >>> to do that, but do they do it for their own reasons too? Or is this way too >>> much overhead to be doing en mass? (I vaguely recall that netflow, for >>> example, can make routers unhappy if there is too much "flow"). >>> >>> Obviously this is likely to depend on local laws but since this is NANOG >>> we can limit it to here. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> -- <https://www.adams12.org/>
