> > 1) "... Africa ... They don’t really have a lot of alternatives. ...": > Actually, there is, simple and in plain sight. Please have a look at the > below IETF Draft: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-chen-ati-adaptive-ipv4-address-space
For the benefit of anyone who may not understand, this is not an 'alternative'. This is an idea that was initially proposed by the authors almost exactly 6 years ago. It's received almost no interest from anyone involved in internet standards, and for various technical reasons , likely never will. On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 10:52 PM Abraham Y. Chen <ayc...@avinta.com> wrote: > Dear Owen: > > 1) "... Africa ... They don’t really have a lot of alternatives. ...": > Actually, there is, simple and in plain sight. Please have a look at the > below IETF Draft: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-chen-ati-adaptive-ipv4-address-space > > 2) If this looks a bit too technical due to the nature of such a > document, there is a distilled version that provides a bird-eye's view > of the solution: > > https://www.avinta.com/phoenix-1/home/RevampTheInternet.pdf > > 3) All of the above can start from making use of the 240/4 netblock as > a reusable (by region / country) unicast IP address resources that could > be accomplished by as simple as commenting out one line of the existing > network router program code. I will be glad to go into the specifics if > you can bring their attention to this almost mystic topic. > > Regards, > > > Abe (2022-11-19 22:50 EST) > > > On 2022-11-18 18:20, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > > > >> On Nov 18, 2022, at 03:44, Joe Maimon <jmai...@jmaimon.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Mark Tinka wrote: > >>> > >>> On 11/17/22 19:55, Joe Maimon wrote: > >>> > >>>> You could instead use a /31. > >>> We could, but many of our DIA customers have all manner of CPE's that > may or may not support this. Having unique designs per customer does not > scale well. > >> its almost 2023. /31 support is easily mandatory. You should make it > mandatory. > > Much of Africa in 2023 runs on what the US put into the resale market in > the late 1990s, tragically. > > > >> Its 2023, your folk should be able to handle addressing more advanced > than from the 90s. And your betting the future on IPv6? > > They don’t really have a lot of alternatives. > > > >>> To be honest, we'll keep using IPv4 for as long as we have it, and for > as long as we can get it from AFRINIC. But it's not where we are betting > the farm - that is for IPv6. > > And yet you wonder why I consider AFRINIC’s artificial extension of the > free pool through draconian austerity measures to be a global problem? > > > >> Its on Afrinic to try and preserve their pool if they wish to by doing > things such as getting it across that progress in addressing efficiency is > an important consideration in fulfilling requests for additional resources. > > Instead of this, they’re mostly ignoring policy, implementing draconian > restrictions on people getting space from the free pool, and buying into > various forms of reality avoidance. > > > >> But see the crux above. If your RiR isnt frowning on such behavior then > its poor strategy to implement it. > > So far, AFRINIC has given a complete pass to Tinka’s organization and > their documented excessive unused address space despite policy that > prohibits them from doing so. However, AFRINIC management and board seem to > have extreme difficulty with reading their governing documents in anything > resembling a logical interpretation. > > > > Owen > > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com >
