> On Aug 31, 2021, at 17:51 , Michael Thomas <m...@mtcc.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 8/31/21 5:13 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote:
>> On 8/31/21 16:32, Jeroen Massar via NANOG wrote:
>> 
>>> Fun part being that it is hard to get a Dumb TV... though that is primarily 
>>> simply because of all the tracking non-sense in them that makes them 
>>> 'cheaper'... (still wonder how well that tracking stuff complies with GDPR, 
>>> I am thinking it does not ... Schrems anyone? :) )
>> 
>> Just get a "smart" TV, don't connect it to the Internet, and use its HDMI 
>> ports for your cable box, Apple TV, etc. and/or antenna input for local 
>> off-air reception.
>> 
> 
> Yeah, until TV manufacturers actually start incorporating, oh say, Google tv 
> (which is just a form of Android) they are always going to be inferior. 
> Having the TV just be a monitor is a feature, not a bug. It's a lot cheaper 
> to upgrade a $50 hdmi based dongle than the whole TV, doubly so since 
> manufacturers have a bad reputation  for not supporting upgrades beyond the 
> sell date. I have no idea whether any of the external ones support v6 though.

Apple TV supports IPv6, but does not allow the user to set a static IPv6 
address and it uses rotating privacy addresses, so the security implications 
are “interesting”. OTOH, it does appear to support DHCPv6 and if you set M+O, 
it looks like you can collect the DUID and give it a fixed DHCP address.

Android and by extension Google’s HDMI dongles/devices have some IPv6 support, 
but of course don’t work with DHCPv6 because of Lorenzo’s religious problems.

> One thing that might be nice is for routers to internally number using v6 in 
> preference to v4 and NAT that (if needed). Then you can easily tell what is 
> still a laggard. My wifi cams might be poorly supported, but they don't need 
> to interoperate with much on the Internet.

I actually have had an idea for a long time of producing a router-on-a-stick 
kind of device which would be a small linux SBC with two ethernet ports and 
some LEDs.

The OS would go on a micro-SD card and it would literally be a single-device 
NAT64 setup so that the IPv4-only device on the downstream side could work with 
the IPv6-only LAN (which might further have a NAT64 gateway to deal with the 
IPv4-only legacy portions of the world outside.

Ideally, the upstream ethernet port would be PoE to power the device (and the 
device would be sold with a small, cheap PoE injector in case needed).

> Mike, Google TV has been pretty nice since the Amazon feud finally ended 
> though I hate that the protocol is still pretty proprietary

To the best of my knowledge, the FireTV and its ilk still can’t spell IPv6.

Owen

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