On 3/20/2021 3:34 PM, David Siegel wrote:
...not to mention that all mature networks are moving more towards GUI
front ends for their automated network. As the complexity of
a network increases, CLI access becomes considerably more risky.
The idea that "real engineers use the CLI" is dinosaur thinking that
will eventually land those with that philosophy out of a job. Just my
personal $.02 (though I'm certainly not alone in my opinion).
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I didn't mean to imply "real engineers use the CLI" only, but that's the
way you read it (perhaps others, too), so all good. Definitely, there is
no shortage of network engineering jobs for those that mainly use CLI
compared to those that use mainly/only a GUI, at least as far as I have
seen. The CLI works on all networks, but a GUI is different in each
network. As was mentioned upthread, there is a place for a GUI. I am
not implying there is not a place for it.
I can't even begin to imagine trying to troubleshoot the complex
problems I deal with day-to-day on a GUI and I am on a medium sized
network compared to those on this list.
But I'd like to reiterate that the board's goal with modernization is
not to alienate anyone from the existing community by forcing them
into a web-interface. Discourse is under evaluation, and if it doesn't
accomplish the goal we'll try something else or build our own tool.
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Thanks for that. I consider this list one of the most important tools I
have for learning about networking.
scott
Dave
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 6:52 PM Matthew Petach <mpet...@netflight.com
<mailto:mpet...@netflight.com>> wrote:
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 5:13 PM scott <sur...@mauigateway.com
<mailto:sur...@mauigateway.com>> wrote:
[...]
Of course, one would
not find an HTTP GUI on the bigger networks dealt with on this
list;
only on the tiny networks. So they're beginning learners and
are, of
course, welcome. They will lean a lot, just as I did in the
early days
and do every day now days.
[...]
scott
Let's see...
Google: Gmail
Microsoft: Hotmail/Outlook/Office365
Yahoo/VerizonMedia: Yahoo Mail
I'd have to say, there's some pretty big networks on this list that
use HTTP GUIs for their email.
Of course, you might be big enough that you look down on the
networks of Google, Microsoft, and VZM as "tiny networks" -- in
which case, you're definitely entitled to your opinion, as all 8000
pound gorillas that look down on the puny 800 lb gorillas are. ;)
Matt
