If we're talking about whitebox router and ipifusion, what we're really talking about is vyatta/vyOS and the linux foundation DANOS stuff on an ordinary x86-64 server that has a weird shape.
https://www.ipinfusion.com/commercial-version-of-danos-product-page/ https://www.danosproject.org/ In which case it really comes down to how comfortable you are with the feature sets of the individual daemons contained within Vyatta/VyOS derived products (FRR, etc), and then your trust level in the hardware. Typically something such as a Taiwanese industrial/embedded platform manufacturer such as Lanner: http://www.lannerinc.com/products/network-appliances/x86-rackmount-network-appliances If you look at the results of a linux kernel boot on a Lanner appliance running VyOS, or a lspci -v, they're not significantly different than taking a Dell or Supermicro rack server and sticking a whole bunch of Intel or Chelsio 2 or 4-port 10GbE cards into it. It's just a weird shaped motherboard, but ultimately derived from an Intel or AMD reference design, and shares a lot in common in a block diagram with a 1U dual socket server motherboard from a company like Tyan or Supermicro. You've got ethernet NICs attached to the PCI-E bus the same as if they were slotted into cards. Aside from the big names like Quanta, Compal and Clevo who will manufacture these things for you in a bespoke fashion if you're a big cloud scale operator, if you google "taiwan embedded industrial motherboard" you'll find the companies that make most of the x86-64 whitebox router hardware. I guess the point I'm trying to make above is that **if** you're confident in both the SW and HW, you can disaggregate your choice of software (vyatta/vyos/DANOS etc) from your own choice of hardware to best fit your needs, rather than purchasing it together as a package. On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:28 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > Just to clarify what cheap means, ideally -$2000 to $4000 new > > -new is preferred as buying used kit on second hand market one is at the > mercy of the price fluctuations and availability. > > > > And the likes of the M2400 looks good 4x10G plus some 1G, unfortunately > there are no details on the webpage (and the datasheet can’t be downloaded… > ) > > > > Are there more folks out there bundling open NOS and white-box HW along > with the support for the whole thing? > > > > > > adam > > > > *From:* NANOG <[email protected]> *On > Behalf Of *Colton Conor > *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2020 4:51 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* NANOG <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: cheap MPLS router recommendations > > > > I haven't tried one myself, but Dasan Zhone has the M2400 and M3000. > Basically, a whitebox with IP Infusion code on it. New, I think the price > point is sub $2000 to $4000 new. That's a ton of ports for that price > point. Anyone tried these yet? > https://dzsi.com/product-category/mobile-xhaul/ > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 3:38 AM [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Saturday, 17 October, 2020 00:41, "Tony Wicks" <[email protected]> said: > > > Well, there is always the MX104 (if you want redundancy) or MX80 if you > > don’t. That will give you 80gig wire speed just don’t load it up with > > more than one full table. > > Bear in mind that the MX80 is now in the EoL process, you have <4 years of > support left. Depending on your expected life-time / depreciation rules, > buying one new right now might be unwise. > > Do *not* throw a full table at it (or any of the PowerPC Junipers) unless > you have a lot of patience for reconvergence, and black-holes while you > wait. > > MX104 is a nice box for getting dual-RE in something relatively compact > and cheap, and has environmental hardening if that matters to you, but is > still not best pleased with full tables. > > OP could do with clarifying "cheap" :) > > Regards, > Tim. > >
