Great excuse ;-) Regards, Jeff
> On Sep 9, 2020, at 15:16, Mike Hammett via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote: > > > If history has taught us anything, everything we do will be ignored by those > that most need it. :-) > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > Midwest-IX > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > From: "Mark Tinka" <mark.ti...@seacom.com> > To: "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 7:59:55 AM > Subject: Re: BGP Community - AS0 is de-facto "no-export-to" marker - Any ASN > reserved to "export-only-to"?' > > Well, the proposed de facto standard is only useful for what we need to > signal outside of the AS. > > Since an operator will still need to design for communities used internal to > the AS (which will have nothing to do with the outside world, and be of a > higher number), they can accomplish both tasks in one sitting; in lieu of > first designing for internal use, and then trying to design again for the > external standard. > > At any rate, as Nick said yesterday, if it's taken us over 2 decades to agree > on the well-known communities we have today, perhaps the industry should go > ahead and standardize this proposal anyway, and then see what happens. If > history has taught us anything, folk will do what they want for 23 or so > years, and even then, it might not turn out the way we hoped. > > If it were me, I'd spend my time on other things. I can design internal > operator-specific communities that also do the right thing externally, if > needed. Heck, it's what I've done already. My customers are happy and I have > little incentive to fix that. > > But that's just me :-). > > Mark. > > On 9/Sep/20 14:47, Mike Hammett wrote: > Exactly. There are far more pressing things when launching a new network than > coming up with a BGP community scheme from scratch, learning everyone else's > BGP community scheme, etc. If networks used a standard, then there is a very > minimal ramp-up. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > Midwest-IX > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > From: "Mark Tinka" <mark.ti...@seacom.com> > To: "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 6:47:13 AM > Subject: Re: BGP Community - AS0 is de-facto "no-export-to" marker - Any ASN > reserved to "export-only-to"?' > > > > On 9/Sep/20 13:41, Mike Hammett wrote: > How is that any different than any other network with minimal connectivity > (say a non-ISP such as a school, medium business, local government, etc.)? > > Because the existing flexibility of dis-aggregated BGP community design can > be done without any need to be in concert with the rest of the world, and > your network won't blow up. There are far more pressing things to consider > when launching a new network. > > > > Also, it would likely help that new ISP in Myanmar learn their limited > upstream's communities if there were a standard. > > There used to be a very large global transit network that did not support BGP > communities for their customers or peers. I'm not sure if that is still their > position in 2020, but back then, it did not stop them from growing quite well. > > Mark. > > >
