On 17/Jun/20 23:07, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote:

> First of all the "SR = network programmability" is BS, SR = MPLS, any
> programmability we've had for MPLS since ever works the same way for SR. 

I see it the same way.


> Yes anything that works for RSVP-TE (i.e. PCEP), if you want to play there's 
> this free app on top of ODL(acting as PCEP+BGP-LS) to program LSPs (can't 
> recall the name).

In short, more working and not the panacea it was made out to be. No
problem with that, if you're one to roll your sleeves up.


> "service chaining" = traffic-engineering, you can do that with or without SR 
> just fine.

I don't make the terms up... best-of-breed and all that :-).


> To service-chain DC or as hipsters call it "cloud" stuff. To TE path from VM 
> to FW to ...whatever, or to TE mice flows around elephant flows. 

And how many classic telco's are doing this at scale in a way that only
SR can solve?


> They do via telco cloud. 

What's that :-)?


> None,  
> The same point I was trying to get across in our LDPv6 (or any v6 in 
> control-plane or management plane for that matter) discussion, there's no 
> problem to solve. 
> Personally I'll be doing SR only in brand new greenfield deployments or if I 
> start running out of RSVP-TE scale on existing deployments.   

If I want to remove BGP state in the core (which is a good thing, given
how heavy BGP code and FIB requirements are), LDPv4 and LDPv6 are useful
for native dual-stack networks that do not share fate between either IP
protocol.

But, YMMV on that one :-).

Mark.

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