"illegal", "anonymous", "racist"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." — Inigo Montoya -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: Elad Cohen <e...@netstyle.io> Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2020 04:22 To: Owen DeLong Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > ---- > This is the second time I’ve seen you make this claim in public. I see > nothing in the slide deck you linked which claims they are illegal. > ---- > According to their private presentation in the following link - they receive > on a regular basis private data from their contacts in internet companies and > internet organizations in illegal way - and then they share it with Law > Enforcement Agencies in illegal way (without any warrant). > > https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation > > > > > ---- > Nor does it say that they are anonymous, in fact, the CIO’s name (Richard D G > Cox) is prominently displayed on the title slide. > ---- > Spamhaus using fake names such as "Mike Anderson", "Rob Shultz", "Thomas > Morrison", "Pete Dewas" - is a fact. > Richard D G Cox name is displayed in the presentation - because it was a > private presentation that was displayed in a private event and they never > knew that it will become public. > > > > ---- > I seriously doubt that if they were truly the criminals you say they are, > they would be permitted to name the FBI as a partner on their website: > https://www.spamhaus.org/organization/ > ---- > They are helping Law Enforcement Agencies on a regular basis and in very high > volume according to their own presentation (by sharing with them all the > illegaly-obtained privacy data) - so Law Enforcement Agencies look the other > way. > > > > ---- > I also sincerely doubt that if they were criminals, as you state, that they > would be admitted as members, let alone receive awards from the National > Cber-Forensics and Training Alliance. > ---- > Some of the employees of Spamhaus are past members of Law Enforcement > Agencies, such as Andrew Fried (from deteque.com - owned by Spamhaus) - which > was a former special agent in USA government before hoped to his new job at > Spamhaus. They are connected to the Law Enforcement Agencies in the Western > world. > > > > ---- > Indeed, ISPA has also presented them with an “Internet Hero Award”. > ---- > Yes, they help Law Enforcement Agencies, but in illegal way. > > > > ---- > Frankly, when it comes to the issues of criminality, I think Spamhaus has > significantly more credibility than you do. > ---- > Thank you for keep taking part in the illegal cyber influence operation. I > dislike the word "credibility" - I like the words facts and data. Facts and > data are booleans and don't let imbaciles like you are to have an opinion, > please relate to facts and to data. > > > > ---- > That’s an awfully strange interpretation of (presumably): > “Spamhaus holds a lot of information provided in confidence by industry > players — on the understanding that it can be made available to LEAs where > needed.” > ---- > confidence means illegal unless you are an imbacile, industry players means > internet companies and internet organizations, "on the understanding" - > meaning that their contacts that shared with them the mass privcay data know > that this data can be available to LEAs without any warrant "where needed". > > > > ---- > Uh, sure, and I’m the Prince of Whales. > ---- > Ronald doesn't deny it, so you are denying it for him? > > > > ---- > At this point, the best you’ve got on this list is an a-said/b-said with no > public evidence on either side. In such a case, it boils down to credibility > and frankly, IMHO, yours is lacking. > ---- > Yours lacking. You are asking from me to share with you private business > documents publicly ? who are you ? > > > > ---- > Quote 1 might be bad style on RFG’s part, but style and eloquence have never > been his strong suits. > ---- > People that cover up racism are worst than racists. > > > > ---- > a meticulous researcher and brutally honest > ---- > Proofs ? Facts ? Data ? Ever heared on any of these ? instead of mumbling > here that Coconut Guilmette is a meticulous researcher and brutally honest. > > Here just one note on his "honesty", Coconut Guilmette wrote here in Nanog > the text in the following link: > > https://imgur.com/xWSq3g3 > > I was never contacted by CoCT like he wrote nor anyone else was contacted, he > lied to you all, not only that - but internal correspondences of CoCT proof > the complete opposite of what he wrote - Alister of CoCT explained to Coconut > Guilmette in his imagination what he wrote there - Coconut Guilmette will not > be able to show a single proof to anything in that linked text paragraph of > his. > I'm willing to show evidences of the exact opposite to one respected member > of Nanog and he will confirm it to the Nanog community (for example to > William Herrin). > > > > ---- > Are you attempting to hide the rest of the thread from closer scrutiny while > cherry-picking quotes you hope support your narrative? > ---- > Racism is racism, you are again trying to to justify racism. The person that > called Ronald a racist and the person that called Ronald an antisemitic - > both of them read everything he wrote. > > > > ---- > Quote 3 is the most amusing in that the person all but states that you, Mr. > Cohen, are acting guilty of the allegations made by RFG and that the original > poster thinks you both have things to answer for. > ---- > No, that response regarding me was due to the lies of Coconut Guilmette like > I showed above. And there were many many more lies - everything that Coconut > Guilmette wrote about me was without any single proof against me - only from > his imagination. > Are you comparing the quote of stating that I need to answer to the lies of > Coconut Guilmette to the quote which is stating that Ronald is an antisemitic > ??? > > > > ---- > Ron has UI problems, to be sure. Not the least of which, he doesn’t filter > and doesn’t put any effort into political correctness. He definitely lacks > polish and a certain level of social skills. > ---- > Nice way to cover up a person which is a racist and an antisemitic, and was > called a racist and an antisemitic not by me but by people which are not > related to me. > > > > ---- > I don’t think for one second that he is actually a racist or a bigot. He > identifies patterns and calls out what he sees. Often without regard for the > collateral damage. > ---- > Patterns like country-origin ? city-origin ? race-patterns ? This is called > racism, you are still trying to cover up a racist and an antisemitic. > > > > ---- > You, Mr. Cohen, are not collateral. You are dead center of the wrongdoing > he’s been pointing out. > ---- > The only wrongdoing is him not going to a complete health check and you > covering up a racist and an antisemitic. > > > > ---- > Just because RFG used racist terms and you happen to be Israeli (and for all > I know Jewish, too), doesn’t mean that his accusations against you are > baseless or inaccurate. > ---- > or Proof-less ??? > And now in this sentence you are confirming that he is a racist and > antisemitic - so why you wrote all the above? > > > > ---- > Is it your claim that the following article: > https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/318205-the-big-south-african-ip-address-heist-how-millions-are-made-on-the-grey-market.html > > is entirely baseless? Do you have any documentation to support such a claim? > ---- > Here is the latest ordered article from the illegal anonymous organization > "The Spamhaus Project" in that site: > > https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-running-for-board-position-at-european-ip-address-organisation.html > > > And in it you can see that is written: > > "It must be noted that Cohen is not being accused of any illegal activity in > this report." > > That is the last article after the mumbo-jumbo that you linked. > > The site wrote it because they know that as you wrote - everything is > entirely baseless - but it doesn't matter to them - all they want is to > defame me and to hurt my chances to join the RIPE board, because they know > that I will put an end to the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus > Project" if I will be elected, the defamation towards me is only because I > dared to stand up against the illegal anonymouos organization "The Spamhaus > Project". > > > > ---- > Just out of curiosity… Is this you, too? > https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-dismisses-head-of-co-ed-idf-unit-for-suspected-relationship-with-subordinate/ > > ---- > Just out of curiosity... Is this you, too? > https://hawaiianeyetours.com/files/672%20Size%20Images/humpback_whale_breach.jpg > > > > ________________________________ > From: Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:07 AM > To: Elad Cohen <e...@netstyle.io> > Cc: Ronald F. Guilmette <r...@tristatelogic.com>; nanog@nanog.org > <nanog@nanog.org> > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > "The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to > their own words in their own following presentation: > > https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation > > > This is the second time I’ve seen you make this claim in public. I see > nothing in the slide deck you linked which claims they are illegal. > > Nor does it say that they are anonymous, in fact, the CIO’s name (Richard D G > Cox) is prominently displayed on the title slide. > > I seriously doubt that if they were truly the criminals you say they are, > they would be permitted to name the FBI as a partner on their website: > https://www.spamhaus.org/organization/ > > I also sincerely doubt that if they were criminals, as you state, that they > would be admitted as members, let alone receive awards from the National > Cber-Forensics and Training Alliance. > > Indeed, ISPA has also presented them with an “Internet Hero Award”. > > Frankly, when it comes to the issues of criminality, I think Spamhaus has > significantly more credibility than you do. > > They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount of > illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet companies > and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal way (without > any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the reason that Law > Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the illegal anonymous > organization "The Spamhaus Project”. > > That’s an awfully strange interpretation of (presumably): > > “Spamhaus holds a lot of information provided in confidence by industry > players — on the understanding that it can be made available to LEAs where > needed.” > > Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous organization > "The Spamhaus Project”. > > Uh, sure, and I’m the Prince of Whales. > > ---- > and that said legal counsel has then > proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, > South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish > to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block > ---- > This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their > internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information can > email me directly. > > At this point, the best you’ve got on this list is an a-said/b-said with no > public evidence on either side. In such a case, it boils down to credibility > and frankly, IMHO, yours is lacking. > > ---- > "I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or > barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block" > ---- > Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people are > criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all Chicago > citizens are criminals according to his statements in the following links: > https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX > https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ > https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz > > Quote 1 might be bad style on RFG’s part, but style and eloquence have never > been his strong suits. OTOH, he is, in my experience, a meticulous researcher > and brutally honest. I also note that you have carefully resorted to an image > of a plain text blob with no header matter and no way to authenticate or > verify the source or validate the attribution as factual. I don’t doubt that > it is an actual RFG quote (at least it sounds like something he’d say), but > why not link to the actual list archive where you got it? Are you attempting > to hide the rest of the thread from closer scrutiny while cherry-picking > quotes you hope support your narrative? > FWIW: Cogent sales reps who actually > respond<https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2019-September/102992.html> > is the original thread from the NANOG archives. > > Qoute 2 strikes me as an innocent snark said in jest. > FWIW: Colombia Network Operators > Group<https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2019-September/103083.html> > is the original thread from the NANOG archives. > > Quote 3 is the most amusing in that the person all but states that you, Mr. > Cohen, are acting guilty of the allegations made by RFG and that the original > poster thinks you both have things to answer for. > FWIW: Quoted thread here: Prominent horse racing identities (was Re: Elad > Cohen)<https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2020-January/105585.html> > > Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in the > following two links, by people which are not related to me: > https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk > https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz > > Ron has UI problems, to be sure. Not the least of which, he doesn’t filter > and doesn’t put any effort into political correctness. He definitely lacks > polish and a certain level of social skills. > > I don’t think for one second that he is actually a racist or a bigot. He > identifies patterns and calls out what he sees. Often without regard for the > collateral damage. > > You, Mr. Cohen, are not collateral. You are dead center of the wrongdoing > he’s been pointing out. > > In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in two > antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in Shakespeare > literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare in > https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign towards me - > none of you raised a voice and not only that but some Nanog subscribers > enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a single proof against me) as > was written here by them (with a popcorn). > > Just because RFG used racist terms and you happen to be Israeli (and for all > I know Jewish, too), doesn’t mean that his accusations against you are > baseless or inaccurate. > > Is it your claim that the following article: > https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/318205-the-big-south-african-ip-address-heist-how-millions-are-made-on-the-grey-market.html > > > is entirely baseless? Do you have any documentation to support such a claim? > > Just out of curiosity… Is this you, too? > https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-dismisses-head-of-co-ed-idf-unit-for-suspected-relationship-with-subordinate/ > > > Owen > >
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