Hi Keith, Honestly? I don’t! I have never worked with an ISP or similar. If I ever get the chance, that would be exciting. Until then, I think this platform is one of the best places where I can get the answer from the people who has first-hand experience in this field. Your classification is also interesting. I’d love to know if this is how people classify their networks. Thanks for sharing your observations.
- Prasun Regards, Prasun Kanti Dey Ph.D. Candidate, Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Central Florida web: https://prasunkantidey.github.io/portfolio/ > On Jun 20, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Keith Medcalf <kmedc...@dessus.com> wrote: > > > Why would you think that "Heavy Inbound" signifies a greater inbound:oubound > ratio compared to "Mostly Inbound"? > > To me "Heavy Inbound" means that there is more inbound than outbound and > "Mostly Inbound" means exactly that -- mostly/usually/exclusively inbound > with the occasional outbound byte or two. > > --- > The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a > lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Prasun Dey >> Sent: Wednesday, 19 June, 2019 15:33 >> To: Mike Hammett >> Cc: nanog@nanog.org >> Subject: Re: Traffic ratio of an ISP >> >> Thank you, Mike. >> From an outsider, I don’t have any information of an ISP’s traffic >> numbers. And this may be confidential unless we are using any >> measurement platform, which CAIDA is doing. To get a rough idea about >> any ISP’s traffic outbound:inbound ratio I can only see it's >> PeeringDB label. But, the question is whether there is any community >> decided values against these labels? >> Like, >> 1:2 = Balanced >> 1:5 = Mostly Inbound >> 1:10 = Heavy Inbound >> 10:1 = Heavy Outbound >> I just came up with these values. They don’t mean anything. I don’t >> have any solid evidence or source to support them. So, my question >> is, what people actually use? Or, it totally depends on the ISPs and >> they vary. >> >> - >> Prasun >> >> Regards, >> Prasun Kanti Dey >> Ph.D. Candidate, >> Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering, >> University of Central Florida >> web: https://prasunkantidey.github.io/portfolio/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> >> wrote: >> >> Yes, you seem to misunderstand (at least of what I understand). >> PeeringDB has categories of ratios to choose from. What has the >> community decided is acceptable ratios for each category? It's fairly >> trivial for any network to determine what their ratio is as a number, >> but not necessarily as a PeeringDB label. >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> To: "Prasun Dey" <pra...@nevada.unr.edu> >> Cc: nanog@nanog.org >> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:23:33 PM >> Subject: Re: Traffic ratio of an ISP >> >> >> >my question was more like to understand when an ISP decides to >> claim itself as any of these (Heavy Outbound/ Inbound or Balanced) >> >> Maybe I'm missing something but it's as simple as looking at the >> interface graphs. We see a whole lot of green for inbound and a >> little little blue line for outbound. We are an ISP with residential >> and commercial customers. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:20 PM Prasun Dey >> <pra...@nevada.unr.edu> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Martijn and Josh, >> Thank you for your detailed explanation. Let me explain my >> requirement so that you may help me better. >> According to PeeringDB, Charter (Access), Sprint >> (Transit), Amazon (Content) all three of them are ‘Balanced’. While, >> Cable One, an Access ISP says it is Heavy Inbound, while Akamai, >> Netflix (Content) are Heavy Outbound. On the other hand, Cox, another >> access ISP, it says that it is Mostly Inbound. >> So, my question was more like to understand when an ISP >> decides to claim itself as any of these (Heavy Outbound/ Inbound or >> Balanced)? From an ISP’s own point of view, at what point, it says, >> my outbound:inbound is something, so I’m Heavy Outbound. >> Please ignore my lack of knowledge in this area. I’m sorry >> I should’ve done a better job in formulating my question earlier. >> Thank you. >> >> >> - >> Prasun >> >> Regards, >> Prasun Kanti Dey >> Ph.D. Candidate, >> Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering, >> University of Central Florida >> web: https://prasunkantidey.github.io/portfolio/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 2:13 PM, i3D.net >> <http://i3d.net/> - Martijn Schmidt <martijnschm...@i3d.net> wrote: >> >> It kinda depends on the application that's being >> used. For example, videogaming has a ratio somewhere around 1:2.5 >> since you're only transmitting metadata about the players environment >> across the wire. The actual video is typically rendered at the end >> user's side. So it's not very bandwidth heavy. >> >> Compare that with a videostream (watching a movie or >> TV series) and you're pumping the rendered video across the wire, so >> there's a very different ratio. Your return path traffic would pretty >> much consist of control stuff only (like pushing the pause button). >> >> Some networks are dedicated to serving one type of >> content, whereas others might have a blend of different kinds of >> content. Same story for an access network geared to business users >> which want to use emails and such, vs residential end users looking >> for the evening's entertainment. >> >> Best regards, >> Martijn >> >> >> On 19 June 2019 19:54:45 CEST, Josh Luthman >> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >> If you're asking an ISP, consumers will always >> be inbound. It's the end user. The outbound would be where the >> information is coming from, like data centers. >> >> I'm not sure you're going to get any better >> answer without a more specific question. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 12:50 PM Prasun Dey >> <pra...@nevada.unr.edu> wrote: >> >> >> Hello, >> Good morning. >> I’m a Ph.D. candidate from University of >> Central Florida. I have a query, I hope you can help me with it or at >> least point me to the right direction. >> I’ve seen from PeeringDB that every ISP >> reveals its traffic ratio as Heavy/ Mostly Inbound or Balanced or >> Heavy/ Mostly Outbound. >> I’m wondering if there is any specific >> ratio numbers for them. In Norton’s Internet Peering Playbook or some >> other literary work, they mention the outbound:inbound traffic ratio >> as 1:1.2 to up to 1:3 for Balanced. But, I couldn’t find the other >> values. >> I’d really appreciate your help if you can >> please mention what Outbound:Inbound ratios that network admins use >> frequently to represent their traffic ratios for >> 1. Heavy Inbound: >> 2. Mostly Inbound: >> 3. Mostly Outbound: >> 4. Heavy Outbound: >> >> Thank you. >> - >> Prasun >> -- >> >> Sincerely, >> Prasun Kanti Dey, >> Ph.D. candidate, >> Dept. of Electrical and Computer >> Engineering, >> University of Central Florida. >> >> >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please >> excuse my brevity. > > > >
