In Florida, especially the panhandle, it's not possible to bury it. The water table is way too high.
On Mon, May 13, 2019, 9:47 PM <frnk...@iname.com> wrote: > This webinar may be of some interest to those in this group: > > > https://www.fcc.gov/small-rural-communications-provider-network-resiliency-webinar > > > > Here’s some additional color commentary on the FCC’s concerns: > > > https://urgentcomm.com/2019/05/10/backhaul-problems-disjointed-recovery-efforts-key-causes-of-unacceptable-extended-wireless-outage-after-hurricane-michael-fcc-report-says/ > > "“Uniti Fiber (Uniti) provides backhaul services to Verizon Wireless in > Bay and Gulf Counties. Uniti indicates it experienced at least 33 separate > fiber cuts during the recovery effort. These fiber cuts included damage to > sections that already had been repaired. Commenters attributed fiber cuts > to debris-removal crews, power-company restorations, and returning > homeowners clearing their property.” > > One of my takeaways from that article was that burying fiber underground > could likely have avoided many/most of these fiber cuts, though I’m not > familiar enough with the terrain to know how feasible that is. > > Frank > > > > *From:* NANOG <nanog-boun...@nanog.org> *On Behalf Of *Mel Beckman > *Sent:* Saturday, May 11, 2019 9:52 AM > *To:* Mike Bolitho <mikeboli...@gmail.com> > *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org > *Subject:* Re: FCC Hurricane Michael after-action report > > > > This is what I tell outage complainers during natural disasters, such as > the fires in California that recently took out a lot of power and > communications: > > > > “Stop whining about how long it is taking to repair your Internet, your > cell phone service, or your cable TV. You didn’t pay anything extra to > recover from natural disasters, and none of us in the field are getting > paid anything extra to restore your services. > > > > No, we don’t know how long it will take. It takes what it takes. That you > don’t get instant gratification doesn’t make us incompetent. It makes you > ungrateful. > > > > It’s a natural disaster. These are not scheduled. Your outage is nobody’s > fault. We don’t have a duty to mitigate all conceivable failures. > > > > It takes time to repair. We’re not cheating you, or loafing around. We > don’t owe you any special attention because of your status or reputation. > > > > So quit whining and be thankful you’re alive, and hopefully you haven’t > lost too much. Maybe pitch in and help those who have.“ > > > > I also send this to ignorant journalists and grandstanding politicians. > > -mel via cell > > > On May 11, 2019, at 4:29 AM, Mike Bolitho <mikeboli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Trying not to get political, here goes... > > > > Something important to keep in mind: The current administration has been > getting slammed for their lack of response in the aftermath of Michael > since the hurricane hit. A lot of that criticism revolves around > communications infrastructure and FEMA's lack of assistance. The current > administration has, time and time again, used federal agencies > (specifically their presidential appointees) to defend the administration's > actions or inactions. I have read the full report and it is more or less a > thinly veiled hit piece. I'm not going to link them here (they are easy > enough to find via Google) but there are several very good articles written > by reputable tech journalists that go into greater detail responding to the > report. Worth checking out. > > > > I say all of that because most of us like to hate on telecom companies > (many times rightly so) but I don't think they are entirely to blame here. > There's nothing Verizon or AT&T can do if their backhaul is cut by a tree > or some third party clean up crew. The report is a gross oversimplification > of how telecommunication infrastructure works. I think anyone here that has > ever worked a storm like this can attest to the complexity and difficulty > you run into during recovery. Hanlon's Razor and all but this is the FCC > and I would hope they would know better. > > > > Speaking specifically to point 51, it's impossible to coordinate between > the thousands of crews working to clean things up and repair physical > infrastructure after a massive storm like this. Many of the people doing > physical cleanup are volunteers that are fully independent of any governing > body or company. It is not a telco's responsibility to know when and where > those crews are working. Further, even if those crews we're calling in and > letting each telco know exactly where they were, what does that provide > other than an impossibly large and fluid dataset to parse for any > meaningful information. > > > > - Mike Bolitho > > > > On Thu, May 9, 2019, 4:43 PM Sean Donelan wrote: > > > The FCC has released its report and analysis of Hurricane Michael impact > on communications: preparation, effect and recovery. > > > > https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-report-communication-impacts-hurricane-michael-0 > > Conclusions and Recommendations > > 51. Backhaul outages loomed large as an impediment to communications > recovery. Uncoordinated post-storm recovery efforts between and among > communications, utility, and debris removal teams created unnecessary > delays to a speedy return to service. Customers who had communications > service restored – only to lose it again almost immediately because of a > fiber cut – provide a clear example of how better cross-sector > coordination could have improved the restoration process. > >
