So, wll you be turning off your firewall and removing your router passwords first to be the test case?
On 9/25/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> let's push this stuff back into the nation-states who sponsor >> it and then use treaties to wall it off inside those places. > > Let's not mince words. You want to wall off the Chinese and Russian > Internets because you believe that the reason so much cybercrime > originates there is for political reasons (state sponsorship) rather > than economic ones. Have you ever visited these countries (Moscow > and Beijing don't count) and seen how people live? There is a much > larger economic incentive than you can imagine. Using the exchange > rate figures from xe.com does not tell you how valuable an American > dollar is in those countries. You need to spend enough time in the > country to see how it costs to ride a bus, buy your lunch, etc. > > In fact, cybercrime originates abroad because the economic incentive > is so great in those countries, and their level of technical education > is high enough that they can actually build the distributed software > systems that they need to drive the flow of hard cash. > > Fiddling with router configs, or mail server configs, does not change > this. In fact, the economic incentive for a NANOG reader to block the > bad stuff is probably a lot lower than for the foreign bad guy to evade > your blocks. He will just route around your efforts. > > Economic and legal problems should be fixed in the economic and legal > system, not in network operations. People on this list would do more > good by supporting legal and economic efforts to fix the problem than > by tweaking their routers. Or by simply ignoring the problem because > it is a lot easier for law enforcement to hit a standing target. > > In any case, I don't believe that nation states sponsor cybercrime. Bad > guys > are found in every country and they will always act for their own > benefit > regardless of what laws or treaties may be put in place. Over the past > 15 years, it has been shown that network vigilantism does not work. If > anything, > this just makes cybercriminals stronger by forcing them to evolve their > systems, and by weeding out the less intelligent ones. > > --Michael Dillon > > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
