On Nov 7, 2005, at 12:16 PM, Todd Vierling wrote:

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Christian Kuhtz wrote:

How so? Haven't we recently seen an across the board bug in
multiple version of $vendor code?

And that's evidence of what other than nobody is willing to pay for what it
takes to get better code out of $vendor?

Code can be built better.  It just isn't always economical to do so.

In some business models.

Financial reports regularly hint that $vendor has margins far exceeding the costs necessity to clean up security-critical code. When the aggregate margins drop thanks to folks choosing $vendor2 because $vendor has decided
to let security flaws stew, it's time for $vendor to reevaluate that
business model -- at least a little.

Apparently they're still in business, and they're making money, and that means people are still buying their stuff. And as long as that's true, nothing will change. Correlating a margins over a very large product range with bugs specifically in service provider gear is problematic in my opinion. Apples v Oranges. Whatever, it really doesn't matter.

Reliability should be engineered by the SP, not exclusively expected from any one vendor. And you can improve reliability by using same devices in a particular fashion, not just by using different devices, which was my whole point about calculating reliability in the first place.

Thanks,
Christian


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