Michael Obster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,

> Gavin Hurlbut wrote:
>> OK.  Your attitude smells like a cattle farm.   "What the hell is wrong with
>> your software" my ass.   How about you learn to debug?  Oh, and to read the
>> documentation.  I'm pretty sure the DVB stuff has been documented on the 
>> mailing list if nowhere else.  If nothing else, you could tone down that
>> attitude.
>>

> Thats pity that you react in this way. I talked with lots of people who 
> had also problems like me. I think it's quite normal that you get such 
> reactions when users are frustrated because they did read documentation, 
> they did read many forums, they did try to get help from the mailing list.
> But the problem still exists. This is not helpful.

Hmmm.  I didn't see any of that in your original post, just you having a
problem and then flying off the handle about it.  Attitude makes a big
difference.

>> As for reading GCC Documentation, what about it?  Did you ever think that
>> maybe... just maybe... the build environment might be optimizing for the
>> specific platform you are compiling on?   Jeez.

> Thats the point. There are many build kits out which do optimization for 
> specific architectures. For example look at Gentoo or ROCK Linux. The 
> build system optimizes the complete build environment for a selected 
> cpu. The only exception on x86 is pentium 4, because this is still 
> experimental *g*.

Blah blah blah.  You were complaining that it does optimizations based on
platform, now you're saying it's a good thing.  Make up your mind.  And as 
always in the world of open source software, you are welcome to change it, but
it may not ever get reflected in the official source tree.

>>>MythTV Version CVS from 2004-12-14
>> maybe you should update this before spewing...  That's over a month old.
>> 
> I will try that, even that the problem should not be this version, 
> because the maintainer of this package tests it on his platform before.
> Only a database setup routine can be (because I don't think he is 
> setting up his database from the beginning...)
> I will report if it is working or not. Perhaps sending some patches :-).

Figuring the DVB patch went into CVS recently, I'd expect it will change.

>>>gcc: 3.4.2
>> And gcc 3.4.x has issues with a lot of code.  Maybe that's part of your
>> problem too?
>>

> Not at all. It is working very well. The only big bug is in its lexer (I 
> would fix it if I know how, but it is not trivil to fix :-( ). So some 
> ANSI C will not compile :-(. But with some additional brackets the code 
> works. And works better than 3.3.x or 3.2.x (sounds interesting...) :-).

Blah.  It will not compile some ANSI C (which is **BASIC** functionality) and
you say it works better?  Jeez.

> P.S.: Please don't interpret every line as personal attack. That was not 
> my intention. I only want to wake you up, because my and a lot of other 
> peoples first impression of your software is not very good.
> It is more for an article in the german Linux Magazin, how software 
> should not be! No I will not write such one, because I don't know as 
> much as I need for writing that for the moment.
> I hope more if I write such an article in the future that you get some 
> helpful development power to get your software much better than today 
> ;-). So it will be a more positive one ;-).

First off, it's not "my" software.  Secondly, bitching and complaining when
you obviously haven't done your research (such as reading the -dev mailing
list to see that the DVB Patch had been committed to CVS), and haven't kept
current with CVS...  That's not a problem with the software.  That's a problem
with the user.

MythTV works marvelously for many people.  With thousands of success stories
and a handful of people who can't get it working, that tells me the issue is
likely not confined to the software itself.


Have a nice day
Gavin

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