On Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 4:22:29 AM UTC-6 Hugo González Castro wrote:

Actually the MLO Wi-Fi Sync doesn't work between Android devices, even with 
the pro version (I have the pro versions for Android and Windows). It 
doesn't work for my usage case because I need to sync my two Android 
devices while traveling without access to any of my desktop PCs. The best 
solution for now to me is just using the MLO Cloud, which is what I'm doing.


Right, sorry but I knew Cloud Sync was the only solution for now and I'm 
glad it is there. I didn't realize you need multiple Android also, which 
has been another limitation. Some have mentioned they don't trust cloud, 
which is why I talk about my own intermediate service which each Android 
Wi-Fi Sync can communicate with to keep whichever one you're using at the 
time updated (it would remember multiple pairing), and when your home 
computer is on, the service will sync with that so they all stay in sync 
but the desktop and Android don't need to be always connected. For my own 
security, I would need my own VPN tunnel. That's for accessing my home 
network LAN but still isolated from outside Internet. Nothing of this 
nature can be 100% secure, keep in mind, but my own VPN beats trusting 
cloud services in theory.
 


About development options. The AbstractSpoon ToDoList for Windows is a 
great alternative for MLO for Windows, with even more features, FTP sync 
and way more. I have been using it for many years. The only problem is 
there is no official mobile app. I talked with its developer, but creating 
a good mobile app is way too much work, even teaming up. Such an 
opensourced app for ToDoList might put MLO and other competitors out of 
business...  About any possibility of extending the functionality or 
compatibility of MLO, would require at least the documentation for other 
developers...  and the MLO team doesn't seem to be interested in that 
possibility. That's the inconvenience of close-sourced software...  that's 
why I keep open the possibility of migrating my data back to ToDoList. I 
already made the code of ToDoList compatible with the XML for MLO for 
Windows, to migrate my data. But I don't know the format of the Android 
app...  that would be great to make a compatibility tool...


Yes, everyone says these things about every application, don't they? "Why 
can't you have feature [X] and [Y] because system [Z] has those and many 
more..."
This is how reality works, endless branches. Keyword is 'branch'; means a 
different direction. It reminds me of the movie, "Everything Everywhere All 
at Once". The truth is of course that one application would have to be 
designed to do all those things earlier on. This isn't that.
Did you know this (original MLO for Windows) was what I would call the one 
man's dream application [usually most efficient not bloated nor 
fragmented], while many that compete with each other are just Enterprise 
business throwing around $$$ to check off as many features as they can to 
gain the largest customer base. It's not his dream, this is more of the 
"Engineer's project" which makes it good for an engineer to fully use. I 
quickly noticed the layman struggles to imagine the best way to use this in 
their case. Of course it is a challenge for us engineers to use it the way 
we want but hey, that's the fun!
 


I understand now your suggestion of understanding the wifi sync protocol. 
Basically, you are talking about reverse engineering the protocol...  that 
cloud be a possibility, if it is not encrypted.

Yeah surely not encrypted because why else to work only in your LAN, ya 
know...
 

It is indeed possible to spy the network traffic and see the transmitted 
data. If the protocol is easy, we could use that for our convenience...  
not a bad idea...  it could be easier than reverser engineering the file 
format and creating a tool for the FTP sync by replacing files. I have 
still to try to fix my MLO Cloud sync in Windows, because the reverser 
engineering options look like a lot of work...


You brought up another problem with something like MLO Cloud Sync... 
simpler to use, uless it doesn't work then nothing you can do if the 
problem is from one of the third parties. I suspect maybe it has to do with 
MLO 6 version trying to update authentication, but then all I could think 
of is what both of you did: erase the sync configuration and try 
authenticating again. Could be a lot of different problems that don't even 
have to do with MLO or your network and installation yet would be difficult 
if not impossible for us to trace. I am currently running niether MLO 6 nor 
Cloud Sync or manybe I could think of something else to try.

You gave a great report of problems and troubleshooting, so I hope they can 
figure it out.
--jeff
 

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