On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 03:45:26PM -0500, Guy Hulbert wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 14:28 -0600, Jonathan Rockway wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 10:44 -0800, Bill Ward wrote:
> > > Experimenting with the language itself should be reserved for new
> > > development such as Perl 6, not for trying to add yet more layers on
> > > top of Perl 5.
> > 
> > Hi.  Nobody cares about your opinion on this matter.  Many perl5
> 
> I do.

I do, so that's at least 3 people.

> > experiments have been quite successful; for example, Moose.

> > macros?  Don't use 'em.  Don't like people using macros in CPAN modules?
> > Don't use 'em.  Trying to control what other people think and do will
> > get you nothing except flames.
> 
> I think you could be a bit more charitable in your interpretation of
> Bill's opinions.  He certainly didn't manage to "control" you very well.
> 
> Because perl modules can install their own dependencies, his concern is
> other people affecting *his* choices.

One particular problem can be that if something you use adds a dependency
on something else you weren't previously using, so you can reach the
situation where upgrading to fix a bug will also bring in something new that
you didn't want (for valid local policy reasons).

Nicholas Clark

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