I would like to add my voice to (at least) Russel's and Sive's.
Our situation (and I understand most of the non-Perl-PMC's interventors' in this thread is
similar) is :
- we are interested in the future development of mod_perl, and are willing to "support" or
"sponsor" such development
- we understand that nobody is actively working on mod_perl currently. What we do not
know/understand clearly is "why not ?", and how to possibly change this situation
- we all have some programming resources available, but none of which have the current
competences that we feel are necessary to undertake such development efficiently in the
short term. That is because our organisations are mostly *users* of mod_perl, in the
course of our main activity, which is to develop end-user-oriented application software,
of which a part is currently based on Apache and mod_perl.
- we know that there are people in the mod_perl PMC which do have such competences. We do
not know about their practical availability/willingness to do so.
- we have no hands-on experience of such kinds of open-source, "free" development
projects, and we do not really know "what makes them tick"
- we all have some form of possible contribution in mind and among our possibilities, but
so far, short apparently of providing ourselves some qualified programming staff to do the
work (as Adam mentions below, and William did before him), it does not seem that there is
any obvious avenue open to do so.
To wrap this up somewhat naively and roughly : if we just wanted to pour some money in
such a project, to revive the interest of the current group of people which do have the
competences and experience to work on this efficiently, how would we go about it ?
Or is this not possible/practical/sufficient ?
Could someone of the mod_perl PMC (or the Apache Foundation) take the lead about something
like this, and somehow ask the right questions, and put together a proposal that could
lead to such a "revival" of the Apache/mod_perl project ?
I believe that we could all collectively start by making a financial contribution to such
a preliminary effort, if that is also what it takes to get it going.
On 07.02.2019 03:39, Adam Prime wrote:
I can tell you that at least some of the PMC members are on this list. But I can
also tell you that there is essentially no development going on right now. The
PMC is essentially idle, and there aren't any plans to do anything with regards
to improving support for newer MPM's. That said, the project is open source, and
if there are people or companies out there with the skills and desire to work on
those features, things can get merged, and people can get added to the PMC, or
as project commiters to enable that.
Adam
On 1/28/19 1:30 PM, Russell Lundberg wrote:
As a long-time fan and user of mod_perl, I like so much the way this
conversation is turning.
I also wonder if there is a formal process, perhaps an ASF process, for
coordinating the objectives voiced in this thread with the resources
required to achieve them?
For example, I believe Steve Hay has led mod_perl2 development lately,
versions 2.0.9 and 2.0.10, anyway. Should he be engaged, or if the leadership
of the project has been handed off, whoever has taken over? Do the project
steward(s) follow this mailing list?
I don't mean to get in the way of positive and well-intended progress. I love
mod_perl and only want the best for its future development.
But there might be other development plans in progress with which coordination
would be helpful.
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On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 8:04 AM John Dunlap <j...@lariat.co
<mailto:j...@lariat.co>> wrote:
I will second what Sive is saying. My organization does not have in-house
experience writing C code(our internal skill sets are web application and
database development) but we are potentially interested in sponsoring some
development on mod_perl with the goal of adding support for mpm_worker and
or mpm_event because we are interested in taking advantage of mod_http2.
In addition to our sponsorship, we could also assist in testing changes
and provided segfaults and debugging/environmental information from out
development and testing environments. Is anyone who is able to do this
kind of development interested in having a conversation with Sive and
myself with respect to sponsoring some development?
On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 1:11 AM Sive Lindmark <s...@capestream.se
<mailto:s...@capestream.se>> wrote:
Hi William!
Count on us, my firm can sponsor work as I stated before, and also
contribute setting up test cases and perhaps also do some coding if we
have the knowledge to do whats needed.
My coders are not used to be part of any open source project, so we
can not take any leading roll though.
How could a sponsor model work?
I have followed crypto world for some time now, and they sometimes set
up price for someone thats achieve a goal. Something we can do here?
/Sive
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