Hallo

Markus Künne wrote:
>> I haven't had a question related to a zoran based card's in years. So
>> I'm quite sure there are not much users out there that use a zoran based
>> video cards in a up to date environment.
>>
>> Because of that I would really suggest that somebody removes the whole
>> zoran driver from the linux kernel.
>
> Just my twocent..
>
> I have such a card but when I tried to use it last time for a recording,
> I've had to jump through quite a few loops:
>
> I needed an older kernel as video4linux v1 rotated out of support a few
> years ago.
> After installing an older kernel, I found out that dependance on OSS is
> hardcoded into the tools. Neither Alsa-OSS nor Pulse-OSS worked.

Well I would say it the other way there was no developer that made the 
mjpegtools support for ALSA, and the OSS emulation worked not well. v4l2 
should have worked I think just for video recording with the patch.

The problem was than that the card did support v4l2, as far as I 
remember but you needed mplayer to get a picture on the screen (xawtv 
and other TV Apps didn't work). But with that the recording didn't work.

I stopped using the mjpegtools based cards (Iomega BUZ, Pinnacle DC30) 
about the time the 2.6.3x Kernel came around. Not sure which kernel it was.

Currently lavplay is not working with the OSS emulation to play back a 
video and sound. playing back without sound still work.

> It seems like the code is not really maintained any more. Personally, I
> try to move to a USB-grabber solution (not sure if well supported in
> linux). Hardware En-/De-coder support seems to have lost any importance
> as modern CPUs are fast enough to support better and more versatile
> codecs; Playback via Zoran cards seems unneccessary as graphic cards
> feature better outputs (S-Video seems really deprecated when compared to
> the HDMI output even cheap cards have nowadays).
> I can't think of a good usecase for those cards in an up-to-date
> environment.
All the analog stuff is fading away. You are right, hardware compression 
is not a problem any more, there are fast CPU and GPU available, and a 
modern harddisk is even able to write the raw data (~100MB/s), that was 
not able on normal consumer hardware when the Zoran chipset was developed.

The Hardware I currently use is a Canopus ADVC-100, a firewire based 
external box which works well. (a current product seems to be a Grass 
Valley ADVC110)

> I used to hope that Linux will always support "old" hardware but maybe
> it's time to move on.
New computers often don't even have the old PCI Slots any more.

> tl;dr: I support the request for removal.
We will see what happens, I didn't get any word from the kernel developers.

auf hoffentlich bald,

Berni the Chaos of Woodquarter

Email: shadowl...@utanet.at
www: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~gz/bernhard

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