On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Dik Takken wrote:

> I was wondering what experience you have with putting static images in DVD 
> movies (like creating a slide show of digital photographs and text 
> slides) and displaying them on a TV screen.

        My experience has been to use no lines thinner than 4 pixels, preferably
        6 pixel and to use a bold or semi-bold sans serif font.

> The problem is that when the odd and even fields differ a lot (white 
> serif fonts on black background) the image flickers really bad. When you 

        If you're dealing with an interlaced display thin lines/stripes will
        cause problems.   

        The same issue has to be dealt with when creating DVD menus.  Using a
        bolder sans serif font and a minimum line height of 4 to 6 pixels 
        is the work-around.

        A line 1 pixel tall can only be in 1 field or the other and will 
        thus appear/disappear every other field  - a very bad flicker.  Increase
        to 2 pixels and you'll see the line "jiggle" up/down slightly as each
        field is displayed.  By the time you get to 4 pixels the situation is
        better since now you have 2 lines present at all times.

> My question: How can I have the best of both solutions: decent detail and 
> image stability? My guess is that the flicker will no longer be visible 

        You want to 'have your cake and eat it too' as the saying over here goes

> when the fields are sufficiently similar. Maybe I can scale each slide to, 
> say, 3/4 vertical resolution and then scale them back to full res?

        Scaling up/down just blurs/softens the image but in the end you will
        still have problems with line lines (such as the serif fonts use) 
        on interlaced displays.

> Is the flicker problem the same on all types of television (small CRT, 
> large CRT, LCD, Plasma, etc) ?

        If the video is interlaced the type of TV doesn't matter - thin lines
        will still be a problem.

        The only thing that might help is to have a progressive scan TV, a
        progressive scan DVD player (which almost every unit today can do) and
        create a progressive/film DVD (as has been discussed on this mailing
        list).  That might give a more steady picture without the flickering -
        the temporal resolution goes down of course (from 60 fields/sec to
        30 frams/sec for NTSC, 50 to 25 for PAL) but if there's not a lot of
        fast pans/motion (slides/photos do not have motion so you should be
        ok in this regard).

        Cheers,
        Steven Schultz



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