On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 08:31:12PM -0700, Steven M. Schultz wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Roman Shaposhnick wrote:
> 
> >    Let's start from the very beginning -- you have your celluloid film,
> >    that runs at 24fps, you scan it and you want to encode result onto 
> >    the NTSC DVD where the frame rate is 30fps (or 30000/1001). Obviously
> 
>       Actually they run the film projector .1% slow to get 24000/1001 and
>       then run a 3:2 pulldown on that to get 30000/1001.  At least that's
>       how I've had it explained to me.

  It's even worse. I'm told there's footage out there with fps being
  24000/1001. A monster from a mad scientist's lab, indeed :-)
 
> >    you start with *progressive* material, after all there's nothing
> >    more progressive than a strip of film. However, when you start 
> >    putting it on DVD you have the following 3 choices:
> 
>       Thanks for chiming in. 
> 
>       Hmmm, you interested in becoming a mjpegtools developer?  We could
>       use some new ideas/code, etc :-)

   Sure, once I'm done with polishing DV codec. I'd be delighted.

>       But I think you are conflating 3:2 pulldown and interlacing.  They're
>       not necessarily _both_ needed.  The repeat first field, etc is
>       needed so that a progressive scan DVD player (coupled to a progressive
>       scan TV set of course) can reconstruct the progressive frames

   I agree. But my point was to just draw attention to the fact that the line
   between progressive and interlaced is blurred. Especially when you don't
   know where you footage came from.

   I believe that the inability of most tools to work with individual fields
   is partially to blame here.

Thanks,
Roman.


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