On Thursday 28 October 2004 17:57, Steven M. Schultz wrote:
> > This is
> > what the purists call an interlaced stream.
>
>       It's not just what "purists" call an interlaced stream - it is an
>       interlaced stream ;)

"Purist" in the nicest possible way, of course. Yes, it's interlaced.

> > The purists seem to prefer not to call
> > this an interlaced stream, as the fields in fact represents the same
> > point in time.
>
>       That's because it's not an interlaced stream :)

It could be. It depends on one's intentions. Technically, I believe we could 
agree that it is, in fact, a progressive stream distributed in an interlaced 
container. (Which doesn't make much sense, unless you're distributing the 
frame via PAL/NTSC/SECAM broadcast, which, per definition, can not cope with 
progressive streams. On disk, in an MPEG file, the matter is completely 
different. It is my belief that I'm talking about the former case, and you 
about the latter.) (And that parenthesis can be interpreted as totally 
irrelevant in this case. So be it, then. My TV captures are still stored and 
transfered to and from my MJPEG card as interlaced streams, regardless of 
whether they contain progressive frames or not. I make them progressive when 
I send them to the MPEG encoder.)

>       The encoder sets the 'progressive frame' flag in the MPEG header and
>       the structure to 'picture structure:     frame picture' - this
>       tells the decoder that the two "fields" came from the same point in
>       time - i.e. it's a progressive image.

You're correct. The image is progressive, and I said nothing else. This 
doesn't say it can't be distributed in an interlaced stream, though.

Aw, what the heck, we're talking about slightly different things anyway. 
You're right, and I believe I'm right too. Agreed?

>       There's no case 3.  Cases 1 and 2 cover all the possibilities - either
>       the data is interlaced or it is progressive, I can't imagine an third
>       state ;)

Hence the smiley.

/Sam



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