On Sat, 25 Sep 2004, Roberto Salles wrote:
> Imported. Not that kind of "local"... wish it were. Canopus site doesn't
> even have a decent link for us. It directs us to some store of Argentina.
That's "right next door" - almost local ;) Like the US and Canada ;)
> Again, more on this below. Good to know it's ok for VHS and
> broadcast, because it's mainly what I want to capture.
> > > http://www.transcortec.com.br/vp10000.htm
After re-reading that page (well, the technical specs/numbers ;)) and
doing a bit more research about PAL-M (and the availability of
conversion hardware) that unit mentioned above would work. The quality
seems a bit low however.
> There's a bit more to say here. Truth, PAL-M, as far as I know, has
> some roots in european PAL, but it uses the same fields/sec of NTSC.
Right!
Technically PAL and NTSC refer to the color space or modulation
scheme. The most common usage (which is incorrect for PAL-M :)) is
to call all 525 line systems "NTSC" and all 625 line systems "PAL" .
That's incorrect.
PAL-M is a 525 line system that uses the PAL color space at the ~30
frame/sec (60 field) rate.
> I've searched a bit and came up with some information maybe too
> technical to me:
>
> "In Brazil, PAL is used in conjunction with the 525 line, 29.97
> frame/s system M, using (very nearly) the NTSC color subcarrier
> frequency.
Yes indeed - that is very useful information
> Another source:
>
> http://www.videointerchange.com/pal_secam_conversions.htm#PAL
I found that link also and it is very useful indeed!
> more to NTSC than PAL, I think. By the way, our power here is 60Hz.
Oh, interesting - I did not know (but also had not looked it up ;))
that 60Hz power was in use in .BR. It makes sense that a ~60Hz
video system is used then.
> That's what I wanted to hear, really. If it's worth it, it's worth
> it and I'll try to get it - somehow. Just to quote the other replay,
> of Richard Ray:
The problem is that you will be using a PAL-M -> NTSC converter
in front of the Canopus unit. Thus the TBC/stabilizing logic in the
Canopus will not see the original signal!
What you need is a PAL-M conversion unit that has a TBC or sync
regeneration capability in it. That type of unit will be more
expensive than a lower quality PAL-M/NTSC converter BUT at that point
you could use a (less expensive) ADVC-100.
One unit I have found that Includes sync-regeneration/stabilization
http://www.starkelectronic.com/cal811.htm
A better unit which claims 500 lines resolution AND has a built-in TBC:
http://www.world-import.com/cmd850.htm
> > Richard Ray:
> > I do have a ADVC-300.
> > Noisy VHS tapes that my capture card could only capture a few
> > minutes at a time are no problem with the ADVC-300.
> > It's rock solid and worth every penny.
> That convinces me that it's a very good option and I should go for
One of my brothers works at a commercial TV station (where he has
access to the very best equipment, etc) and he thinks a Canopus
box is good quality (as far as consumer grade equipment goes ;)).
> of communication. At least to me. But either way, even with that of
> "compatible with any video format", I think it doesn't cover PAL-M.
> If it does, I'll be a very happy person!
I think you are correct that PAL-M is not supported and you will
need to get a converter unit.
> No, people don't bother to do that. All the newer TVs, for some
> time now, deal with PAL-M and NTSC. So you don't have to bother,
> just get one NTSC. Problem is... video usually displays NTSC tapes
> (and usually the ones you buy or rent are on that system) and they
> only record NTSC if the source is NTSC. They can record NTSC as...
Very interesting
> Thanks for the suggestion. I'll consider it, but I'm really
> thinking that the ADVC-300 is the best choice, because I have really
The price difference between the ADVC-300 and -100 is about US$250
(a little more or less depending where you shop ;)).
My suggestion is to put that difference into a better PAL-M/NTSC
conversion unit (which has a TBC or sync-pulse regeneration feature)
and buy a less expensive ADVC-100
Good Luck and let us know how things work out for you!
Cheers,
Steven Schultz
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