On Tue, 25 May 2004, Bernhard Praschinger wrote:

> >         Would it make sense to have several 'regions' or 'bands' that have
> >         different thresholds?   If the majority of the frame has a Y' around
> >         20 +/-4 use a "-t 8", if it's centered about 28 +/- 4 then a "-t 6",
> >         32 +/-4  "-t 4", and so on...

> That sounds like a nice idea :)

        Ah, ok - so it wasn't such a crazy idea after all.

> Are you planing to add that feature to yuvmedianfilter ?

        No, although I will be "borrowing" some code from yuvmedianfilter.  The
        plan (and it's only in the thinking/idea stage now) is to create a new
        program.   If/when it becomes working code we can have a contest to
        select a name for it ;)

> But if you make larger areas and goe than to the next level, it is more
> likely that you notice the "jump" to the next area. 

        True - conversations with a coworker raised the issue of "stair-step
        effect" - it would basically be what can happen when -X and -Q are
        used with mpeg2enc.

> From what I have read the human eye is able to determine
> black/gray/white much better than colors. You can fool the eye with only

        Right - which is why we see the blocks/splotches in dark scenes.  The
        slight variations in Y' become more visible as the overall brightness
        become lower.   That's the reason I think averaging/smoothing more
        heavily at the lower Y' values will be effective.

> >         parameters to apply.   What'd be great would be the ability to
> >        "subtract" the differences between "pure black" and the "reference...

> Do you think the the area which you set to real black could be used for that ?

        That's an area where there's no active signal usually - I don't think
        using that would be a good thing.   Now if there was a large portion
        in the center of the reference frame.

        I got the idea of 'subtraction' from an advertisement for a digital
        camera (forget which one).  Basically to subtract/cancel the CCD noise
        the camera took a picture with the "lens cap on" (i.e. black) and then
        computed the differences between that black picture and a theoretical 
        black frame from the real picture it takes a split second later.

        I was thinking something like that might be possible with video data.

> I'll test anything that compiles on your machines ;)

        Ok - don't hold your breath too long though ;)  With that encouragement
        I'll start planning the code Real Soon...

        Cheers,
        Steven Schultz



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