On 30 Apr 2009, at 00:14, Daniel Ouellet wrote:

Joe S wrote:
What's really frustrating here are the network admins I work with that
are trying to migrate from ipsec vpns to MPLS because it's "easier"
and "just as secure".

Well, I am not sure that it would be very convincing to them, but I guess a somewhat good argument to use might be as simple as asking them if they would replace IPSec tunnel/VPN on a big switch WAN/LAN network with only VLan tag instead?

That's about what they say isn't it? Scary.

May not be a very good example, but I think the analogy between them is somewhat valuable in idea and concept anyway.

But again, the norm looks like these days is to only consider security after the fact and react to it instead of being proactive on it.

See what they say.

Best,

Daniel




you don't use telnet even over an IPSec WAN do you ? end-to-end security (e.g. TLS/SSL) is your friend here. It's the only way to actively verify link security....

and once you're in an SSH session (with properly verified keys), you don't care who's watching the stream

/Pete

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