Two developers who wanted to contribute to the funeral did not have a credit card and asked me if they could wire the money to the IBAN account I then forwarded the money with my credit card towards the paypal account
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Bob Beck <b...@openbsd.org> wrote: > Speaking of donation money, > > reading http://accounting.kd85.com/ > > We see this mentioned: > > "some went to funeral costs (Itojun)." > > Why would money that was directed to go to the OpenBSD project be > used for this? especially when at the time it was made pretty clear that > it should not be. > > We (the developers) at the time certainly SENT money for a friend. > > But at the time I objected to using OpenBSD money or a donation > account for this. We wanted it completely clear that the money we were > sending was coming from us personally, in memory of a super great guy > and as a token of respect to his family. At the time, both Myself and > Theo objected to this, stating it was not fair to use money donated to > fund the project for this. The money had to come from us personally. > > So. How much donation money was sent for Itojuns funeral, and in this > case was it "donation" money for openbsd, or was this money from the > developers: > > The email exchange about this at the time is below, when I expressed > my concern about mixing up donations to OpenBSD with money being sent > from a developer to a friend. Wim's answer to this was terse and rude > and basically that I "did not understand accounting in europe", and to > "shut the fuck up because I did not understand banking". Then it goes > on to mention that "personal money" was being put up to "front" this? > > So, what was it? Money from developers sent for a friend that had > nothing to do with OpenBSD? Money from OpenBSD donations? or "personal > money from wim?" - since OpenBSD donations weren't supposed to go to this why > is this now mentioned here? > > Stranger and stranger. > > -Bob > > -----------------------------8<------------------------- > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:10:37 -0700 > From: Bob Beck <beck> > To: Marco Peereboom <ma...@peereboom.us>, hack...@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards. > Message-ID: <20071105231037.gk...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> > Mail-Followup-To: Marco Peereboom <ma...@peereboom.us>, hack...@openbsd.org > References: <20071104174010.gd26...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105141949.gd22...@peereboom.us> <20071105164717.ga30...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > In-Reply-To: <20071105164717.ga30...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 > Content-Length: 2013 > > Ok, here's the deal. > > Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan. > > We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family. > > based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would > suggest $20 as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to, that > is fine too. > > Send your bit by paypal to mcbr...@countersiege.com > > If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate > with them. this will be easiest on short notice. > > I've already sent mine. > > > * Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]: >> >> Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details. >> I will let you all know. >> >> -Bob >> >> >> * Marco Peereboom <ma...@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]: >> > How and where do we send money to? >> > >> > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: >> > > >> > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral >> > > on Nov 7. >> > > >> > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with a >> > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for the >> > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet) Ryan >> > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower >> > > arrangements from OpenBSD. >> > > >> > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun >> > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for >> > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again >> > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a heads >> > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full details >> > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has >> > > talked to a few people about what is proper. >> > > >> > > -Bob >> > >> >> -- >> #!/usr/bin/perl >> if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { >> print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; >> } >> > > -- > #!/usr/bin/perl > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; > } > Return-Path: <owner-hackers+m28...@openbsd.org> > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on bofh.cns.ualberta.ca > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, > DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE,FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=no version=3.1.8 > Received: from mail8.srv.ualberta.ca (smtp.srv.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.19]) > by bofh.cns.ualberta.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5NPe9L010633 > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) > for <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:25:40 -0700 (MST) > Received: (from procm...@localhost) > by mail8.srv.ualberta.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) id lA5NPeaK013468; > Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:25:40 -0700 (MST) > Received: from cvs.openbsd.org (cvs.openbsd.org [199.185.137.3]) > by mail8.srv.ualberta.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA5NPUSK011681 > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) > for <b...@ualberta.ca>; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:25:31 -0700 (MST) > Received: from shear.ucar.edu (lists.openbsd.org [192.43.244.163]) > by cvs.openbsd.org (8.14.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id lA5NPSsS015770; > Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:25:28 -0700 (MST) > Received: from openbsd.org (localhost.ucar.edu [127.0.0.1]) > by shear.ucar.edu (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lA5NKpnc027221; > Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:20:51 -0700 (MST) > Received: from kd85.com (togetic.kd85.com [62.116.6.180]) > by shear.ucar.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA5NKfjl016118 > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) > for <hack...@openbsd.org>; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:20:43 -0700 (MST) > Received: from kd85.com (localhost.kd85.com [127.0.0.1]) > by kd85.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lA5NKeFR027686 > for <hack...@openbsd.org>; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 00:20:40 +0100 (CET) > Received: (from wvdpu...@localhost) > by kd85.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id lA5NKeoh013343 > for hack...@openbsd.org; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 00:20:40 +0100 (CET) > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 00:20:40 +0100 > From: Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> > To: hack...@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards. > Message-ID: <20071105232040.ga8...@togetic.kd85.com> > References: <20071104174010.gd26...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105141949.gd22...@peereboom.us> <20071105164717.ga30...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105231037.gk...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > In-Reply-To: <20071105231037.gk...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i > X-Loop: hack...@openbsd.org > Precedence: list > Sender: owner-hack...@openbsd.org > Content-Length: 2693 > > > for those in the Euro Zone, just wire the EUR 15 to the donation account > and I'll transfer the lump sum to the paypall account > > IBAN BE93737017743767 > BIC KREDBEBB > > Name: OpenBSD > Address: Oostveld Kouter 13 > 9920 Lovendegem > Belgium > > mail me when you do > > On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:10:37PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: >> Ok, here's the deal. >> >> Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan. >> >> We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family. >> >> based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would >> suggest $20 as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to, that >> is fine too. >> >> Send your bit by paypal to mcbr...@countersiege.com >> >> If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate >> with them. this will be easiest on short notice. >> >> I've already sent mine. >> >> >> * Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]: >> > >> > Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details. >> > I will let you all know. >> > >> > -Bob >> > >> > >> > * Marco Peereboom <ma...@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]: >> > > How and where do we send money to? >> > > >> > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: >> > > > >> > > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral >> > > > on Nov 7. >> > > > >> > > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with a >> > > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for the >> > > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet) Ryan >> > > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower >> > > > arrangements from OpenBSD. >> > > > >> > > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun >> > > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for >> > > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again >> > > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a heads >> > > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full details >> > > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has >> > > > talked to a few people about what is proper. >> > > > >> > > > -Bob >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > #!/usr/bin/perl >> > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { >> > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; >> > } >> > >> >> -- >> #!/usr/bin/perl >> if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { >> print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; >> } > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > https://kd85.com/notforsale.html > -- > > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:11:05 -0700 > From: Bob Beck <beck> > To: Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> > Cc: hack...@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards. > Message-ID: <20071106001105.gn...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> > Mail-Followup-To: Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com>, hack...@openbsd.org > References: <20071104174010.gd26...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105141949.gd22...@peereboom.us> <20071105164717.ga30...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105231037.gk...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105232040.ga8...@togetic.kd85.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > In-Reply-To: <20071105232040.ga8...@togetic.kd85.com> > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 > Content-Length: 3371 > > > Wim, why complicate matters. Is this what I just asked people to do? > > Now we're going to mix OpenBSD developers giving personal > money to something for a friend, with money that is recieved for OpenBSD? > > Guys, this is doing something for a friend, it is not donations > for openbsd. Please just paypal ryan directly. > > -Bob > > > * Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> [2007-11-05 16:25]: >> >> for those in the Euro Zone, just wire the EUR 15 to the donation account >> and I'll transfer the lump sum to the paypall account >> >> IBAN BE93737017743767 >> BIC KREDBEBB >> >> Name: OpenBSD >> Address: Oostveld Kouter 13 >> 9920 Lovendegem >> Belgium >> >> mail me when you do >> >> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:10:37PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: >> > Ok, here's the deal. >> > >> > Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan. >> > >> > We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family. >> > >> > based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would >> > suggest $20 as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to, that >> > is fine too. >> > >> > Send your bit by paypal to mcbr...@countersiege.com >> > >> > If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate >> > with them. this will be easiest on short notice. >> > >> > I've already sent mine. >> > >> > >> > * Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]: >> > > >> > > Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details. >> > > I will let you all know. >> > > >> > > -Bob >> > > >> > > >> > > * Marco Peereboom <ma...@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]: >> > > > How and where do we send money to? >> > > > >> > > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral >> > > > > on Nov 7. >> > > > > >> > > > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with a >> > > > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for the >> > > > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet) Ryan >> > > > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower >> > > > > arrangements from OpenBSD. >> > > > > >> > > > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun >> > > > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for >> > > > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again >> > > > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a heads >> > > > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full details >> > > > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has >> > > > > talked to a few people about what is proper. >> > > > > >> > > > > -Bob >> > > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > #!/usr/bin/perl >> > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { >> > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; >> > > } >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > #!/usr/bin/perl >> > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { >> > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; >> > } >> >> -- >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> https://kd85.com/notforsale.html >> -- >> > > -- > #!/usr/bin/perl > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; > } > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:16:00 -0700 > From: Bob Beck <beck> > To: Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> > Bcc: mcbr...@openbsd.org, dera...@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards. > Message-ID: <20071106001600.go...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> > References: <20071104174010.gd26...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105141949.gd22...@peereboom.us> <20071105164717.ga30...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105231037.gk...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105232040.ga8...@togetic.kd85.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > In-Reply-To: <20071105232040.ga8...@togetic.kd85.com> > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 > Content-Length: 3576 > > > You screwing around waiting for a lump sum means ryan > can't judge how much has come in. Will you please stop sticking your > nose into this? Please encourage people to just send the money to > ryan directly, instead of having ryan wait for you. Unless you are > talking to ryan about this, please stop doing this. you are just > making everyone's life difficult for this. Please tell people to > paypal ryan directly. There is no need to mix *donation* money for > openbsd with *personal* money from a developer to another developer. > > -Bob > > * Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> [2007-11-05 16:25]: >> >> for those in the Euro Zone, just wire the EUR 15 to the donation account >> and I'll transfer the lump sum to the paypall account >> >> IBAN BE93737017743767 >> BIC KREDBEBB >> >> Name: OpenBSD >> Address: Oostveld Kouter 13 >> 9920 Lovendegem >> Belgium >> >> mail me when you do >> >> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:10:37PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: >> > Ok, here's the deal. >> > >> > Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan. >> > >> > We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family. >> > >> > based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would >> > suggest $20 as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to, that >> > is fine too. >> > >> > Send your bit by paypal to mcbr...@countersiege.com >> > >> > If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate >> > with them. this will be easiest on short notice. >> > >> > I've already sent mine. >> > >> > >> > * Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]: >> > > >> > > Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details. >> > > I will let you all know. >> > > >> > > -Bob >> > > >> > > >> > > * Marco Peereboom <ma...@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]: >> > > > How and where do we send money to? >> > > > >> > > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral >> > > > > on Nov 7. >> > > > > >> > > > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with a >> > > > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for the >> > > > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet) Ryan >> > > > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower >> > > > > arrangements from OpenBSD. >> > > > > >> > > > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun >> > > > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for >> > > > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again >> > > > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a heads >> > > > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full details >> > > > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has >> > > > > talked to a few people about what is proper. >> > > > > >> > > > > -Bob >> > > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > #!/usr/bin/perl >> > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { >> > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; >> > > } >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > #!/usr/bin/perl >> > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { >> > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; >> > } >> >> -- >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> https://kd85.com/notforsale.html >> -- >> > > -- > #!/usr/bin/perl > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; > } > Return-Path: <wvdpu...@kd85.com> > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on bofh.cns.ualberta.ca > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham > version=3.1.8 > Received: from kd85.com (togetic.kd85.com [62.116.6.180]) > by bofh.cns.ualberta.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA60ShUJ011784 > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) > for <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:28:46 -0700 (MST) > Received: from kd85.com (localhost.kd85.com [127.0.0.1]) > by kd85.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lA60ShK8013530 > for <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:28:43 +0100 (CET) > Received: (from wvdpu...@localhost) > by kd85.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id lA60ShF6026515 > for b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:28:43 +0100 (CET) > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:28:43 +0100 > From: Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> > To: Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> > Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards. > Message-ID: <20071106002842.gb6...@togetic.kd85.com> > References: <20071104174010.gd26...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105141949.gd22...@peereboom.us> <20071105164717.ga30...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105231037.gk...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105232040.ga8...@togetic.kd85.com> <20071106001105.gn...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > In-Reply-To: <20071106001105.gn...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i > Content-Length: 3931 > > > you completly don't understand banking in Europe. > > On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 05:11:05PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: >> >> Wim, why complicate matters. Is this what I just asked people to do? >> >> Now we're going to mix OpenBSD developers giving personal >> money to something for a friend, with money that is recieved for OpenBSD? >> >> Guys, this is doing something for a friend, it is not donations >> for openbsd. Please just paypal ryan directly. >> >> -Bob >> >> >> * Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> [2007-11-05 16:25]: >> > >> > for those in the Euro Zone, just wire the EUR 15 to the donation account >> > and I'll transfer the lump sum to the paypall account >> > >> > IBAN BE93737017743767 >> > BIC KREDBEBB >> > >> > Name: OpenBSD >> > Address: Oostveld Kouter 13 >> > 9920 Lovendegem >> > Belgium >> > >> > mail me when you do >> > >> > On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:10:37PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: >> > > Ok, here's the deal. >> > > >> > > Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan. >> > > >> > > We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family. >> > > >> > > based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would >> > > suggest $20 as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to, that >> > > is fine too. >> > > >> > > Send your bit by paypal to mcbr...@countersiege.com >> > > >> > > If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate >> > > with them. this will be easiest on short notice. >> > > >> > > I've already sent mine. >> > > >> > > >> > > * Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]: >> > > > >> > > > Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details. >> > > > I will let you all know. >> > > > >> > > > -Bob >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > * Marco Peereboom <ma...@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]: >> > > > > How and where do we send money to? >> > > > > >> > > > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral >> > > > > > on Nov 7. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with a >> > > > > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for the >> > > > > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet) Ryan >> > > > > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower >> > > > > > arrangements from OpenBSD. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun >> > > > > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for >> > > > > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again >> > > > > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a heads >> > > > > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full details >> > > > > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has >> > > > > > talked to a few people about what is proper. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > -Bob >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > #!/usr/bin/perl >> > > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { >> > > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; >> > > > } >> > > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > #!/usr/bin/perl >> > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { >> > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; >> > > } >> > >> > -- >> > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> > https://kd85.com/notforsale.html >> > -- >> > >> >> -- >> #!/usr/bin/perl >> if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { >> print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; >> } > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > https://kd85.com/notforsale.html > -- > > Return-Path: <wvdpu...@kd85.com> > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on bofh.cns.ualberta.ca > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham > version=3.1.8 > Received: from kd85.com (togetic.kd85.com [62.116.6.180]) > by bofh.cns.ualberta.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA60VBZ6021243 > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) > for <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:31:12 -0700 (MST) > Received: from kd85.com (localhost.kd85.com [127.0.0.1]) > by kd85.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lA60V9dk002157 > for <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:31:10 +0100 (CET) > Received: (from wvdpu...@localhost) > by kd85.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id lA60V9Ta002485 > for b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:31:09 +0100 (CET) > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:31:09 +0100 > From: Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> > To: Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> > Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards. > Message-ID: <20071106003109.gc6...@togetic.kd85.com> > References: <20071104174010.gd26...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105141949.gd22...@peereboom.us> <20071105164717.ga30...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105231037.gk...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105232040.ga8...@togetic.kd85.com> <20071106001600.go...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > In-Reply-To: <20071106001600.go...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i > Content-Length: 4323 > > > Bob, > > if you don't understand accounting in Europe, just shut the fuck up. > > I just offered to pre-fund those payments from Europe, if you don't appreciate > me putting up my personal money to pay this, then just medle it in , just > say so > > k > On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 05:16:00PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: >> >> You screwing around waiting for a lump sum means ryan >> can't judge how much has come in. Will you please stop sticking your >> nose into this? Please encourage people to just send the money to >> ryan directly, instead of having ryan wait for you. Unless you are >> talking to ryan about this, please stop doing this. you are just >> making everyone's life difficult for this. Please tell people to >> paypal ryan directly. There is no need to mix *donation* money for >> openbsd with *personal* money from a developer to another developer. >> >> -Bob >> >> * Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> [2007-11-05 16:25]: >> > >> > for those in the Euro Zone, just wire the EUR 15 to the donation account >> > and I'll transfer the lump sum to the paypall account >> > >> > IBAN BE93737017743767 >> > BIC KREDBEBB >> > >> > Name: OpenBSD >> > Address: Oostveld Kouter 13 >> > 9920 Lovendegem >> > Belgium >> > >> > mail me when you do >> > >> > On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:10:37PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: >> > > Ok, here's the deal. >> > > >> > > Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan. >> > > >> > > We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family. >> > > >> > > based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would >> > > suggest $20 as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to, that >> > > is fine too. >> > > >> > > Send your bit by paypal to mcbr...@countersiege.com >> > > >> > > If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate >> > > with them. this will be easiest on short notice. >> > > >> > > I've already sent mine. >> > > >> > > >> > > * Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]: >> > > > >> > > > Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details. >> > > > I will let you all know. >> > > > >> > > > -Bob >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > * Marco Peereboom <ma...@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]: >> > > > > How and where do we send money to? >> > > > > >> > > > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral >> > > > > > on Nov 7. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with a >> > > > > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for the >> > > > > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet) Ryan >> > > > > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower >> > > > > > arrangements from OpenBSD. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun >> > > > > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for >> > > > > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again >> > > > > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a heads >> > > > > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full details >> > > > > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has >> > > > > > talked to a few people about what is proper. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > -Bob >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > #!/usr/bin/perl >> > > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { >> > > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; >> > > > } >> > > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > #!/usr/bin/perl >> > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { >> > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; >> > > } >> > >> > -- >> > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> > https://kd85.com/notforsale.html >> > -- >> > >> >> -- >> #!/usr/bin/perl >> if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { >> print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; >> } > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > https://kd85.com/notforsale.html > Return-Path: <dera...@cvs.openbsd.org> > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on bofh.cns.ualberta.ca > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, > DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE autolearn=no version=3.1.8 > Received: from cvs.openbsd.org (cvs.openbsd.org [199.185.137.3]) > by bofh.cns.ualberta.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA610m8j026578 > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) > for <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:00:48 -0700 (MST) > Received: from cvs.openbsd.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) > by cvs.openbsd.org (8.14.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id lA610k7i009374 > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); > Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:00:46 -0700 (MST) > Received: (from dera...@localhost) > by cvs.openbsd.org (8.14.1/8.12.0/Submit) id lA610ku6023440; > Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:00:46 -0700 (MST) > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:00:46 -0700 (MST) > From: Theo de Raadt <dera...@cvs.openbsd.org> > Message-Id: <200711060100.la610ku6023...@cvs.openbsd.org> > To: aus...@openbsd.org, b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca, dera...@openbsd.org, > w...@kd85.com > Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards. > Content-Length: 3089 > > I have no idea what this is about. > > Bob just suggested that people find a way to send small amounts to > Ryan's account, for flowers that are already prepaid. total he needs > is just about 300 more, since Bob and I already covered the rest. > > It's just to be nice to itojun's family because japanese funerals > are expensive; we're doing it to fit into the japanese way of doing > the honourable thing at a funeral. > > and now it has anger and yelling involved. I don't understand this at > all. > > I really don't know at all where this is coming from. > > I'm here to honour itojun, so I don't know why any kind of fighting like > this has to happen now. > > I think Bob layed out a very simple way so that a few poeple could do this. > Ryan just needs to not go broke living in an expensive place.. > > but this stuff should stay seperate from donations; it is not right to mix > it into that. It's not what itojun would have wanted, I think. > > We should let people do this in the simplest way > > Oh you should see how openbsd and cheo de raadto look in kanji....... > > >From wvdpu...@kd85.com Mon Nov 5 17:52:58 2007 >>Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:52:47 +0100 >>From: Wim Vandeputte <w...@kd85.com> >>To: Bob Beck <b...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>, dera...@openbsd.org, >> aus...@openbsd.org >>Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards. >>References: <20071104174010.gd26...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105141949.gd22...@peereboom.us> <20071105164717.ga30...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105231037.gk...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071105232040.ga8...@togetic.kd85.com> <20071106001600.go...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071106003109.gc6...@togetic.kd85.com> <20071106004043.gq...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <20071106004306.ga24...@togetic.kd85.com> <20071106004651.gr...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Content-Disposition: inline >>In-Reply-To: <20071106004651.gr...@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> >>User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i >> >> >>Wel, >> >>if it's going to be like this kind of crap then consider me out of the >>picture for the next 30 days for wherever you guys had planned >> >> >>I just volountered to cough up on my personal account whatever >>had to be paid for project and expenses for the funeral but if it's not >>appreceated, I can take my fund somewhere else where they are needed, like >>paying of goverment debts on my side... there is plenty of that to go >>around anyways >> >>Don't count on my for the next month to pay any bills then or show up >>at hitlercon 2007 >> >>bye, see you in 2008 >> >> >>On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 05:46:51PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > wtf if wrong with you >>> >>> hey. you're the one who left icb in a huff, and then >>> told me to fuck off. >>> >>> >>> > Why do I even have to take this kindf of abuse from you? >>> >>> Hey, you tell me to fuck off, I'm going give as good >>> as I get. >>> >>> -Bob >> >>-- >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> https://kd85.com/notforsale.html >> -- >> > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > #!/usr/bin/perl > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) { > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n"; > }
