On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:04 AM, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 July 2008, GVG GVG wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, David Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 03:42:58PM +0200, GVG GVG wrote: > > > Use the size of your MTU, which can be found my using ifconfig. > > > > > > -- > > > David Hill > > > > Thanks for your prompt reply. > > > > Just out of curiosity what's this 'MTU' stands for? > > > > MTU stands for Mark T Uemura, otherwise known as mtu@, an OpenBSD > developer who has been kind enough to do some fantastic write-ups and > interviews on the events and people of the two most recent hackathons. > > > http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=search&mode=&thres=&method=and&sort=time&query=mtu > > Now, all kidding aside, please look at the length of your question above > and compare it to the following URL: > > http://www.google.com/search?as_q=MTU > > Yep, the URL is shorter. Answering your own question would have been > less typing, a whole lot faster, and far more complete than the simple > expansion of an abbreviation given to you in replies. > > The half dozen idiots posting replies with the correct answer to your > easily answered question have done a disservice to both you and > everyone else subscribed to this list. Mindlessly blurting out an > easily found answer is tantamount to bragging and makes the people > doing it look stupid since it shows they failed to think things > through. They robbed you of a chance to learn something on your own, > they cluttered the mail boxes of thousands of people, and worst of all, > they encouraged all the countless other people like you to be lazy. > > There's nothing wrong with not knowing things, but if you're unwilling > to at least try learning and try solving your own problems *before* > asking for help, then you obviously don't respect the time people > commit to writing software and helping others on these lists. > > The correct order of operation is Think, Search, Study, and Try. When > you've repeated the first four steps a few times and you're still at a > loss for an answer, only then take the fifth step of Asking. It's the > tough road to take rather than the easy way out, but in the end, you'll > be stronger and better for it. > > In a similar vein, you might find the following thread enlightening: > http://marc.info/?t=121434202300006&r=1&w=2 > Particularly: > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=121434335503622&w=2 > > Yep, this crap happens all the time. It's not just new people showing up > on the lists and not knowing the basics, but it's also long time users > like Paul and Josh forgetting the end result of being overly helpful. > Heck, if you search the list archives, you'll probably find places > where *I* have made the exact same mistakes. > > I may seem like a complete ass for pointing the obvious, but none the > less, all of the above are things you, and others, really need to learn > and remember. > > Kind Regards > jcr > this kind of replies do have a long tradition in this list - probably most of the times for a good reason! On the other hand, calling people idiots, isn't really polite, to put it mildly, neither serves any good cause! I fully agree with your definition of the correct order of operation and it wasn't my intension to abuse any resources. I don't know if you read the whole thread but my initial question was a bit different! I didn't just jumped-in with the question 'what's MTU'. It was a result of a kind reply to my problem and after looking the man pages, where this acronym wasn't defined, assumed that a generic term like this will, most probably, produce a lot of unrelated and misleading hits in Google. Proved wrong! Still this wasn't an outcome of being lazy doing my homework. As a result, I think you heavily exaggerate with your strong wording. Thanks George
