On Tuesday 10 June 2008 22:42:26 Henning Brauer wrote:
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> > I'm looking around and don't quite get sloppy states.  Looking at the
> > code isn't quite helping.  Anything else I can read?
>
> like, pf.conf(5)?
>
>      sloppy
>            Uses a sloppy TCP connection tracker that does not check
> sequence numbers at all, which makes insertion and ICMP teardown attacks
> way easier.  This is intended to be used in situations where one does not
> see all packets of a connection, e.g. in asymmetric routing situations. 
> Cannot be used with modulate or synproxy state.
>
> comes down to "do not use them".
> there are some very special circumstances where they make things
> possible that didn't work before, like relayd setups with that direct
> server return stuff (where you should run another pf box with real
> state tracking in front of the relayd box) or cases where you only see
> half of the connection, and there one stillhas to be very careful.
>
> anyone using sloppy statekeeping on regular firewalls deserves more
> than a spanking.

Crud.  I did not look there.  Sorry for the noise,  but perhaps you've
warned some folks and they'll listen.

--STeve Andre'

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