On Feb 6, 2008 9:28 PM, Sherwood Botsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Part of my job description is to come as close as possible to
> doing everything with no resources. (My entire IT budget for this
> year is $6K.  That includes internet connectivity, all repairs,
>

Are things really that tight?  How do they afford your salary then?


> $100/computer)  THIS year I have about 4K for servers. I get to
> replace my pair of 1 GHz 256MB boxes with something a bit faster,
> more reliable and more spacious.)
>

Do you really need to?  Sometimes more ram is enough.  Do you _need_ to, or
do you _want_ to?  I still have 2 machines running Pentium 3s from 5-6 years
ago, and I really _want_ to upgrade them.  For example, the server this
laptop goes out over.  I can't even put more than 512MB on this
motherboard!!  But I'm at 99% idle.  I don't _need_ to.

HOWEVER, these switches are dying like flies at a RAID show.


Never heard of that expression.

>
> I've had 5 of them die in the last 3 months.  (I also use them in
> classrooms -- Overkill, for 3-4 computers in a classroom, but, as
> I said, the price is right.)  In effort to stem the bloody tide,
> I've remounted them on the rack with 2 rack holes between each,
> to improve the air cooling.


Buy a $20 fan and point it at them.  Heck, splurge a little, and buy two.

>
> So I went to 3com's web site.  Got frustrated as hell trying to
> find what I was looking for.  Went to Cisco's site.  No better,
> but they answered the phone.  Their switches are pricey.  8 port
> with 1 GB uplink are $800. 24 port GB $3300.


And if you're a large corporate customer, you can get up to 50% off.  Or if
you're an educational or non-profit, you might be able to get something from
them too.  Have you looked around for people disposing/upgrading their
equipment?


> web managed (semi-managed) switches I could chop a digit off of
> prices.  E.g. a 24 port GB switch for about $300, an 8 port GB
> switch for $100.  Then don't sell semi-managed switches that have
> just 1 or 2 GB ports.
>

Dell powerconnect switches used to suck _REALLY_ bad.  But if I'm going to
use a cheap switch, I might as well go with something like a dlink.

>
> 1.  Why is a cisco 2960-PT-ATTL eleven times the price of a Dell
> PowerConnect 2724?


Silly question.  Because they can, and because people will pay for it.

>
> 2.  I figure there is less likely to be gotchas if all my core
> switches are from the same vendor.  What vendors do you recommend
> for inexpensive switches.
>

I've heard OK things about dlink.  They have some 24 port switches.  I'm not
sure why you'd need _managed_ switches, in your environment.


> Cautionary tales?


Buying stuff you have no need for.  Do you really _need_ managed switches?
What kind of management would you need?

Even for your servers - do you _NEED_ gigabit?  Your environment is small
enough not to need that, I think.



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