Hi,

first I'd like to thank you all for your answers.

On Wed, 08.08.2007 at 11:01:05 -0400, Nick Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Toni Mueller wrote:
> > So, is it right to conclude that only current AMD CPUs are supported,
> > and that recent intel CPUs are generally unsupported?
> 
> from
>   http://www.openbsd.org/i386.html :
> "Everything that is a clone of the 486 or up should work fine."

There's a conditional in this sentence, and Theo's remark about these
Core2Duo CPUs so far did translate for me to "These CPUs are
unsupported because we still have problems coping with their bugs and
new quirks, and we hope to solve the worst of it by mid-next year."

> The issue is almost never the CPU itself, the issue is the surrounding
> support chips and firmware.  There is much more to a computer than its
> processor.

Very well agreed (what's that with sparc64 support?), but if even the
CPU does not work well (enough), I'd say that it would then be far too
early to break a sweat about eg. chipset problems. Also, there appear
to be various degrees of "support", with some things known to run, and
some (other) things known to run better...

> point.  Ask if it supports your new COMPUTER.  Better yet, get yourself
> one of those "credit-card" CDR blanks, drop cd42.iso on it, and carry
> it with you and find out,

This is infeasible for mail-order, which seems to be the norm for
servers or other non-consumer stuff, but otherwise, I agree.

> grab a USB flash drive, and put a test install on that, and you can
> boot the entire OS, test X, NIC, whatever, and grab a dmesg, drop it
> on "disk" and analyze it later.

Of course, and I usually do something very similar when I have a chance
to actually lay my hands on a machine, but for server stuff which is
usually BTO, this does not work. In such cases, one has to find out
beforehand what works and what not, or have an agreement to swap
non-working hardware even if the hardware itself is ok. The latter is
becoming a bigger problem by the day, from my perspective, because less
and less dealers want to let you do your tests, but _only_ wrap up a
sale, and that's it. While we're at it, I'm interested in good dealers
in Germany.


Best,
--Toni++

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