Sorry for the delay, I missed Toni's posting:

On 10/13/06 10:31, Toni Mueller wrote:
On Fri, 06.10.2006 at 00:46:11 +0200, chefren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The argument against GPL that works best for me during "discussions" about it is that GPL is BSD with Digital Rights Management.

sorry, but this is a blatant lie.

Why?

Arguing this way will hopefully get you *NO* success whatsoever, but a
sound backslash instead.

That's no argument, that's something stupid like "hope you will burn in hell". (By the way: I don't care.)

Having said that, I think I understand the differences between these
two licenses fairly well, and surely well above what Joe Average User
is expected to understand. They both have their specific places and
good philosophies behind them.

Why do you say so? Has this anything to do with what I stated?

Even GPL zealots have an extremely bad feeling while hearing "DRM",
again and again funny to see their faces while it sinks in.

Every sane and at least minimally social person should have extremely
bad feelings while hearing "DRM" (if they understand what DRM actually
is about).

[Pooh pooh, I have no problem with people want to manage their rights as such, it's a free world and if people want to use their rights for their products that's their choice and I will decide to choose for them or not. Some products are so good or useful that it's a pleasure for me to pay for them. I consider the OpenBSD CD's from Theo between them.]

Digital Rights Management is a term to describe ways to make the use of creations less free. The BSD license is as free as possible, given that almost all countries in this world grant rights to creators or companies who pay them a salary. Without the BSD style abandonment of those rights those rights are =always= there. So even if you find a piece of code "left" on the street, you can not use it in a serious product since the rightful owner, or his descendants for many years, might ask for money from anyone for using it.

So: BSD style licensing is the clear "zero" concerning copyright management. =No= strings attached, you can do with BSD licensed code whatever you want. =Any= added rule, like GPL clearly has, manages the rights more than zero and can be considered Digital Rights Management.

+++chefren

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