Hi Eliah, This discussion is starting to lean not to OpenBSD but life in general. ;-)
> "Karma" and "the law of abstraction" are very abstract. In my view, they are most certainly not. It's the law of attraction, btw, not abstraction. For instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction Yes, there's a lot of New Age bullshit floating around. It's your choice to look beyond that and see the practical implications of it. > On the other hand, suppose vendors who support open source only do so > because they believe that it profits them, and the only arguments they > take seriously are those involving their profit. This is at least > highly plausible. Should we then not say that because it's not > functionally useful to do so? I am assuming you mean "monetary gain" in respect to "shareholders" when you talk of profit. Yes, that most certainly must be communicated. But that was not what this part of the thread was heading towards and there are other definitions of "profit" which are gaining momentum at this point in time. The bulk of the matter is, that if we, as OpenBSD's userbase for instance, but also the free software community at large, keep on hammering the fact that most vendors suck hairy moose balls, they will keep on sucking hairy moose balls. Theo said earlier: > If you keep saying something good won't happen -- well then you can > bet it won't happen. That is the "Law of Attraction" in full swing right there. HTH... Nico