Darrin Chandler wrote:
Look, it's pretty obvious from early exchanges in this thread that these issues have been discussed by the principal parties over a fairly long period of time. How many brilliant insights have been added by this thread? More important, has this thread opened up Hifn's specs? Has this discussion accomplished anything at all?
1) The principle parties' exchanges didn't go anywhere. It is time to crank the heat up a couple of notches. If the principle parties come in and ask us to stop it will go a lot futher than you, some random person, asking us to stop. I don't see Theo complaining, and he has a far greater vested interest than you. I haven't seen other developers complaining, and the same goes for them. I haven't even seen Hifn complaining, although that would only weaken their position further. 2) It's not about brilliant insights. It is about customer dissatisfaction. People are posting so there is a record that they are not happy with the situation, and this record covers very clearly why they are not happy with the situation. This goes a long way towards punishing Hifn for what we perceive as acts which are not in our best interests as customers. The alternative is silence, which allows Hifn to continue to dupe customers. I do not want to see another person duped like this, and it is now my personal mission to do what I am able to prevent it from happening again. 3) Has this thread opened up Hifn's specs??! You expect results to take place in an unreasonable amount of time. Change doesn't always happen overnight, especially when corporations are involved. 4) This discussion has definitely accomplished something - it has created a freely accessible, mirrored record which points out some very serious flaws in the policies of a supposed security minded company. As a consumer I have relied on exactly this sort of thing time and time again to avoid bad purchases. I wish this thread had existed three months ago so I wouldn't have purchased a blasted Hifn product that sits unused on my shelf! And above all this, this thread shows that, for the most part, users are behind the policies of the OpenBSD project. This sends a clear message to the industry that we will hurt their bottom line if they screw around with us. I only wish more projects and organizations would toe this line. Breeno
